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US HISTORIAN REBUFFS SO-CALLED ARMENIAN GENOCIDE CLAIMS
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Ali Asker
2005-03-24 20:43:09 UTC
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US HISTORIAN REBUFFS SO-CALLED ARMENIAN GENOCIDE CLAIMS

Visiting Professor Prof. Justin McCarthy from the University of
Louisville, an expert on the so-called Armenian genocide claims,
yesterday asserted firmly that although there was a war in eastern
Anatolia during World War I, the Ottomans had never pursued a genocide
campaign against Armenians living in the region. McCarthy, who is
currently visiting Turkey as the guest of the main opposition
Republican People's Party (CHP), yesterday told reporters that in 1915
the Ottoman Empire was only trying to suppress a revolt against the
government, something which Armenians wrongly allege amounts to a
genocide. "The number of Turks killed in this war far exceeded the
Armenian casualties," he added. "Nobody has ever produced proof
that the Ottomans wanted to kill all of the Armenians. On the contrary,
we have historic documentation that a senior Ottoman soldier supplied
thousands of Armenian refugees with food at that time. Calling the 1915
incidents 'genocide' is nonsense. Armenians are trying to distort
the facts for political ends." /Star/

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Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2005-03-25 01:09:20 UTC
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True

Get over it you bleating LOSERS !
Panta Rhei
2005-03-25 02:52:19 UTC
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Post by Seanie O'Kilfoyle
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Get over it you bleating LOSERS !
Several parliaments, among them the French, the Canadian and Swiss, have
officially recognized the Armenian genocide as a historical fact. EU
members demand of Turkey the recognition of the genocide. The EU is fed up
with the denialism and revisionism of fascist, subnormal Turkish scum.
m***@yahoo.com
2005-03-25 17:14:50 UTC
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Terrorists are not Kurds; Kurds are not terrorists. Therefore, thugs
and murderers of PKK/KADEK/KONGRA-GEL terrorist organization are not
Kurds either; they are just terrorists same as all the other terrorists
everywhere else exploiting unsuspecting innocent people for their own
petty benefits.

Like every peace loving human being, a person of Kurdish heritage too
has his/her equal and unalienable basic human rights and freedoms. And
the whole World respects that.

All peace loving Kurds like every other peace loving people know well
that:

- Democracy IS NOT tolerance to terrorism or terrrorists.

- Democracy IS NOT a freedom for or right to terrorism either.

- Supporting convicted terrorists and murderers is not part of
Democracy and
against the law and agaist to human decency in every democratic
country in
the World.

- Terrorists have no right to say anything except to sit by their
lawyer in the
court of law to hear their sentenses announced for the murders they
committed.

But as usual like all the other terrorists, PKK/KADEK/KONGRA-GEL
terrorists too find safe haven hiding behind the innocent Kurdish
people, and disguise themselves as innocent, peace-loving and
low-abiding Kurdish people.


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After Europeans very generously supported and sponsored Greek,
Armenian, Arab and other terrorists, with a veracious appetite for
innocent Turkish blood, to massacre innocent and defenceless Turkish
subjects of Ottoman empire and to ethnically cleanse Ottoman
territories off of their Turkish inhabitants during WWI, and after they
harbored, supported, sponsored PKK/KADEK terrorist organization which
murdered nearly fourty thousands innocent human beings to destroy
Turkey to establish a marxist, lennisist, communist PKK/KADEK
dictortship in Turkey, and other terrorist and extremist Islamist
terrorist organizations and persons with the same purpose, and Armenian
terrorists who, during 1970s and '80s, murdered hundreds of Turkish
diplomats, their family members, colleagues, embassy personnel (Turkish
and local), and having missed no chance whatsoever to fabricate
anti-Turkish hate propaganda based on total lies in every possible
instance and relentlessly complain about Turkey, it is very clear that
the purpose of Europe is to destroy the democratic Republic of Turkey
and totally wipe out the Turkish race/nation off of the face of Earth.



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"From: Ali Asker (***@lycos.com)
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We are the TERRORISTS...

We will divide Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq in to the pieces until
ever single individual is free from thought control, torture and
brain-washing! Every nation should have their own land where they can
practice their own culture. Iran has consist of about 20 some
different nations and we will tore them in to 20 different countries
and give mollahs a small land where they can practice their barbaric
religion to themselves and only harm temselves.

WE WILL BREAK IRAN IN TO THE PIECES!!! "


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This son-of-a-bitch, Ali Asker (***@lycos.com), is a terrorist,
a raper, torturer and killer of innocent and defeseless people to
advance the imperialistic aims of his/her terrorist organization,
PKK/KADEK terrorist oranization; has no right to say anything except to
sit by his lawyer in the court of law to hear his sentense announced
for the crimes he/she committed.

***@hotmail.com (Ali Asker), a thug of marxist, leninist,
communist PKK/KADEK terrorist organization, a full-time, professional
and unconditional hater and murderer of innocent citizens of the
Democratic Republic of Turkey, posts an anti-Turkish hate propaganda
fabricated by mouth-pieces of the same PKK/KADEK terrorist organization
which, with the support of the enemies of Turkey (Syria, Belgium,
Sweden, Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, France, Greece and others)
and with the income it obtained from major illegal drug trafficking to
Europe, robberies, extortions, etc. murdered nearly 40 thousands
innocent human beings in Turkey and ruined the health and property of
many thousands of others to destroy democratic goverment of the
Republic of Turkey and establish a marxist, lennist, communist
PKK/KADEK dictatorship in South East Turkey.This is against the laws of
all countries in the World including Turkey. Any country, as well as
Turkey, will defend itself against such terrorism as a most legitimate
and legal right.


To hell with you all PKK/KADEK terrorists !!!!!

Marxist, leninist, communits PKK/KADEK is not a democratically elected
represantative of Kurdish citizens of Turkey. Democratically elected
represantatives of the citizens of Turkey of Kurdish descend are in the
goverment as MPs, ministers, PMs, presidents, judges, etc., certainly
not as terrorists murdering innocent human beings. Plus, all citizens
of Turkey of Kurdish descend, like everybody else, are serving their
country as soldiers, officers and generals in the military, police
officers, lawyers and judges in the law enforcement organizations,
pursuing their lives as business man and woman, professional careers in
the private business and goverment institutions. And, none of them
feel they have to murder innocent human beings "to defend themselves".
All citizen of Turkey, regardless of race, language, religion, gender,
etc., have their undeniable right and freedom under the law to defend
their rights and freedoms, pursue solutions for the problems they think
they have by only legal, peacefull and democratic ways and means,
definitely not "whatever means is possible" and certainly not by
terrorism.





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What is the PKK/KADEK ?

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The PKK (Kurdish acronym for the "Kurdistan Workers' Party"), formed in
1978 by Abdullah Öcalan, is the most notorious terror organization in
the world. It has been waging a vicious campaign of terror against
Turkey since 1984 with the external support of certain states and
circles whose aim is to destabilize Turkey.

The PKK was identified as one of the 30 main terrorist organizations in
the world by the US Secretary of State in October 1997, and it was also
described in the same way in US State Department "Patterns of Global
Terrorism" reports.

PKK's terrorist activities have resulted, to date, in the death of
thousands of people, including women, the elderly, children and in many
instances even infants. The PKK has also murdered over one hundred
school teachers, who became inevitable targets of the terrorists since
it was judged that PKK's subversive views could be most easily
imposed on the uneducated and the ignorant. Lists giving the figures of
ordinary individuals and public servants, ruthlessly killed or maimed
by the PKK terrorists, are in annex.

The PKK has employed murder, intimidation, kidnapping and destruction
to achieve its nefarious objectives. It targets ordinary people,
because it aims to subjugate the local population in southeastern
Turkey into supporting its evil deeds. The PKK has attacked the entire
inhabitants of villages in southeast Anatolia. These attacks are also
designed to make the region uninhabitable. The PKK destroys schools,
sets forests on fire, blows up railways and bridges, plants mines on
roads, burns down construction machinery, and demolishes health
centers. A list containing the figures of material damage caused by
PKK's terrorist attacks is also in annex.

In response, the authorities trained the villagers to defend themselves
and also moved some people to locations where they would be safer.
These two measures, intended to protect the local population against
terrorism, have been at the center of a misinformation campaign by the
PKK and its sympathizers.

The PKK indiscriminately murders the very people on whose behalf it
purports to act : Turkish citizens of Kurdish origin. Ironically, the
PKK regards Masud Barzani's Kurdish Democratic Party and Jalal
Talabani's Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the two main Kurdish
groupings in northern Iraq, as its adversaries.

Due to its ability to strike Turkey from Syria and (after the 1991 Gulf
War) northern Iraq, the PKK proved for some time a serious threat to
law and order and claimed many victims. Following its operations
against PKK facilities in northern Iraq Turkey restored law and order
throughout the southeastern provinces.

The PKK has been supported and sheltered by some of Turkey's
neighbors, as well as by some others outside the region. Syria and
Greece are the principal countries that have been supporting the PKK
for years. However, with the signing of Adana memorandum on October 20,
1998, the Syrian connection has been broken. Syrian authorities have
promised not to support terrorist activities against Turkey and taken
some steps in this direction. Turkey closely monitors Syrian compliance
with the Adana agreement. Yet, Greece, a NATO ally, backs the PKK and
its affiliates by every means at its disposal. Confessions and
testimonies of dozens of PKK militants arrested in Turkey reveal that
Greek support to PKK terrorism goes much beyond than what was generally
estimated. Most recently, revelations made by the PKK member Fethi
Demir and by ?emdin Sak›k, PKK's "second man" captured in northern
Iraq, have helped to confirm concretely the continuing Greek support to
the PKK. The statement made by Greek Premier Simitis on November 26,
1998, leaves no room for doubt about the position of Greece vis-a-vis
the PKK : "the PKK is an organization fighting for the rights of the
Kurdish minority and using various means to reach this end." Can there
be a more explicit approval of PKK terrorism? There is of course other
evidence and documentation concerning Greek support to PKK terrorism.

The PKK terrorist organization, among others, employs the following
methods in the perpetration of its crimes:

a) Indiscriminate terror against the Turkish citizens of Kurdish ethnic
origin mainly in southeastern Turkey. Targets included children, women,
and the elderly. In some places PKK terrorists have wiped out isolated,
dispersed settlements and hamlets.

The aim is to force the local population into submission, to make them
provide sanctuary.

b) Indiscriminate terror against non-Kurdish population. The purpose is
to discredit the state institutions and to cause instability.

c) Terror against selected targets.

- Assassination of well known personalities, judicial, law enforcement
and security personnel.

- Assassination of state functionaries that provide services to the
local population in southeastern Turkey (civil servants, teachers,
health personnel, technical personnel, etc.).

- Assassination of village guardsmen and their families.

- Attacks on and occupation of official missions of Turkey abroad
(diplomatic, consular, commercial, tourism, etc.) as well as
headquarters or branch offices of semi-official institutions (Turkish
Airlines offices, banks, etc.).Attacks and acts of arson against the
houses, business facilities, associations and mosques of the Turkish
community living in western Europe, mainly in Germany. These acts of
terror are mostly carried out through proxies and front organizations
that are permitted by the authorities of the host countries to operate
in those states.

d) Terror within the ranks of the PKK, against informants and repentant
militants. Over the years, Öcalan has ordered the killing of numerous
PKK defectors and potential rivals. In the past decade, the PKK has
conducted assassinations, kidnappings and acts of arson in Western
Europe against former PKK members and defectors. Assassinations of PKK
defectors occurred in Sweden in 1984 and 1985; in Denmark in 1985; in
the Netherlands in 1987 and 1989; in Germany in 1986, 1987, and 1988.

e) Wider hit and run tactics against border posts and military patrols.

f) Terrorist attacks against industrial infrastructure, oil facilities,
social facilities, and tourist sites with the aim of weakening the
Turkish economy and tarnishing its image. As part of these terror acts,
the PKK bombed passenger trains, ferryboats, and buses. Several of
these attacks resulted in civilian casualties. In 1993 and 1994 it also
staged a series of kidnappings of foreigners in southeastern Turkey to
frighten away tourists and to embarrass the Turkish government.

g) The head of the terrorist organization PKK has advocated and ordered
the use of suicide bombings against Turkish targets that resulted in
the deaths of security personnel and civilians, and injuries to many
more.

Obviously, such an enterprise of crime and violence like the PKK
requires colossal human and financial resources. As there are no
legitimate ways or means to obtain the required resources, PKK's only
option is to resort to illegal and illegitimate methods. Hence, the PKK
is heavily engaged in organized crime activities, including extortion,
drug trafficking, arms smuggling, human smuggling (illegal
immigration), and abduction of children. Such racketeering takes place
particularly in western Europe.

The PKK has been carrying out its activities abroad through its front
organization ERNK (Kurdish acronym for the "Kurdistan National
Liberation Front"), the so-called "Kurdistan Parliament in Exile", its
mouthpiece MED TV, and through other affiliated offices, centers and
associations.

Through these front establishments, the PKK organizes and carries out
its illegal activities. It also uses them to make its propaganda so as
to influence and mislead the public opinion in west European countries
for obtaining popular support to its subversive ends.

The abduction of children and youngsters in some European countries by
these front organizations deserves special mention. According to police
reports and press articles in several west European countries, the PKK
recently organized kidnappings of children, of 14-17 years of age, in
Varmland/Sweden through the ERNK, and in Celle/Germany through "Kurdish
Information Bureaus", or "Kurdish Culture Centers". The statements of
some of the abducted children, as well as press and police reports
reveal that the PKK kidnapped these youngsters, took them to its camps,
located in some other west European countries, and forced them into
training as terrorist militants.

The Turkish authorities spared no effort in drawing the attention of
the west European countries to such criminal and illegal activities of
the PKK, but unfortunately their calls to prevent these activities
usually fell on deaf ears. The complaints of the children's families,
however, attracted the attention of the public and thus created a
strong reaction towards what the PKK and its affiliates have in fact
been doing for years. The police in Sweden and Germany are now
investigating the matter.

Terrorism constitutes today one of the most serious violations of human
rights, in particular the fundamental right to life. By murdering
thousands of people, the PKK has violated the right to life. Therefore,
all the PKK terrorists, including their head Öcalan, must answer in
the court of law for their crimes.

All societies threatened by terrorism have the right to take
appropriate measures to protect themselves from violence and to
eradicate terrorism. Turkey's fight against the PKK terrorism is of
this nature and aims not only to maintain security and to protect its
citizens, but also to pave the way for economic and social development
in the regions where this is needed most. This fight against terrorism
observes democratic principles and the rule of law, with great care
being given to respect the rights of innocent civilians.

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Who is Abdullah Öcalan ?

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Abdullah Öcalan was born in the province of Sanliurfa in 1949. He
speaks Turkish and has only a poor grasp of some Kurdish dialects. He
had a conventional education and his original wish was to be an officer
in the Turkish Army. He failed the entrance examination for the
military academy. He did, however, gain admission in 1971 to the Ankara
University Political Sciences Faculty. There, he joined the underground
movements trying to overthrow Turkey's parliamentary system. He was
expelled from the university for non-attendance and his illegal
activities.

The cell of terrorists which he controlled soon broke links with other
groups. It was known for its use of extreme violence and the
"Apocu's" (Followers of Abdullah Öcalan), as the PKK was called in
its early days, had a special trademark: they hacked off the noses of
their opponents. In the late 1970's, Öcalan collaborated closely
with the Soviet Union and with Syria which were attempting to create
political turmoil in Turkey. In 1980, Öcalan fled to Syria. He began
to use Syrian facilities, including camps in the Bekaa Valley, Lebanese
territory under Syrian control, to train terrorist groups for
cross-border terrorist attacks against targets in Turkey. He started to
inject an ethnic dimension to his terrorist activities, though this
usually had to be imposed on local populations by violent means,
including the kidnapping young men at gun point and then forcing them
to undergo indoctrination and join his movement. In August 1984,
Öcalan's terrorist groups began attacking Turkish police stations
and similar targets in the southeastern provinces north of the border
with Syria and Iraq.

The PKK operates along the familiar lines of traditional communist
parties and carries out terrorist activities under the rigid direction
of its Central Committee. Both its "political" and "military" wings are
controlled directly by Öcalan. As its sole head, Öcalan, has
callously masterminded thousands of PKK's terrorist activities
against Turkey and its people. As such, he has been responsible for
thousands of deaths, kidnappings, mutilations and attacks on innocent
people during his long years as a professional terrorist and murderer.

In October 1998, Turkey warned Syria that it would take action unless
it ceased its support for Öcalan and PKK terrorism. It formally
requested the extradition of Öcalan to Turkey. As a result, Öcalan
was compelled to leave Syria where he had been given shelter for almost
two decades. Furthermore, by an agreement signed between the two
countries on October 20, 1998 in Adana/Turkey, the Syrian Government
for the first time designated the PKK as a terrorist organization, and
pledged not to allow the presence and the activities of the PKK on its
territory. Later, Öcalan was forced to leave Moscow, where he had
escaped from Syria, following political and diplomatic contacts between
Turkey and the Russian Federation.

Öcalan was apprehended in Rome while trying to illegally enter Italy
with a false passport on November 12, 1998. As the British Government
put it, Öcalan's arrest was "a significant advance in the
international community's fight against terrorism."

Öcalan is not only a terrorist but also a common criminal, being
sought by the Turkish courts under charges of homicide and incitement
to homicide. There is thus a red corner bulletin for him issued by the
Interpol. In accordance with a court decision given in 1990, Germany
also had an arrest warrant on Öcalan again for homicide and incitement
to homicide.

All democratic, law-abiding countries as well as international
institutions are obligated to take a consistent and firm stance in
combating terrorism and bringing terrorists to justice. Under
obligations and commitments within the framework of the United Nations,
the Council of Europe, the OSCE, the NATO, and the EU, no country or
government can provide terrorists with safe-haven or evade its
responsibilities in the efforts to eliminate terrorism. Therefore,
Öcalan should never be granted political asylum anywhere and he has to
be extradited to Turkey to face trial for his crimes against Turkish
citizens.

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PKK's Involvement in Organized Crimes

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The PKK engages in organized crimes such as drug trafficking and arms
smuggling, extortion, human smuggling, abduction of children and money
laundering in an attempt to recruit militants and to obtain financial
resources needed to carry out its terrorist activities.

The "Sputnik Operation" conducted in a coordinated fashion in some
European countries in September 1996 exposed PKK's links with
organized crime and money laundering activities.

On the other hand, it is known that the PKK, together with other
organized crime gangs, is also behind the recent wave of illegal
immigration to Italy. PKK's objective is to create international
pressure and antipathy against Turkey.

Moreover, the PKK plays an important role in drug trafficking which
constitutes one of the most evil crimes of our age. The British weekly
magazine "The Spectator" underlined this fact in its 28 November-5
December 1998 issue by saying that "...According to the British
security services sources the PKK is responsible for 40 percent of the
heroin sold in the European Union..." .

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Drug Trafficking and Terrorist Organizations

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All terrorist organizations need to raise funds to sustain their
violent activities and resort to illegal means to finance their crimes.
Drug trafficking comes at the top of this list of illegal money raising
activities, followed by robbery, extortion, kidnapping, blackmailing
and arms smuggling.

In recent years, it has become increasingly evident that terrorism and
drug trafficking are intertwined. The terms "narco-terrorism" and
"narco-terrorists" have started to gain circulation in describing the
link between terrorist organizations and narcotics smugglers. This fact
is illustrated by certain international documents. The UN Convention
Against Illicit Traffic In Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances
(1988) refers to the relationship between illicit drug traffic and
other organized criminal activities which undermine the stability,
security and legitimacy of sovereign states.

Paragraph 5 of the UN International Narcotics Control Board (INCB)'s
1992 report points out that "illicit cultivation of narcotic plants and
illicit trafficking in drugs continue to be a threat to the political,
economic and social stability of several countries. Links appear to
exist between illicit cultivation and drug trafficking and the
activities of subversive organizations in some countries."

The 1993 INCB report draws attention to the organic connections between
drug cartels and terrorist organizations, and also to the globalization
of drug smuggling. The successive INCB reports point out that these
drug cartels concentrate their activities in ethnically and
economically troubled regions of the world. It is no coincidence that
terrorist organizations thrive in the very same regions.

The Vienna Declaration and Program of Action adopted at the World
Conference on Human Rights (25 June 1993) stresses that "the acts,
methods and practices of terrorism in all its forms and manifestations
as well as linkage in some countries to drug trafficking are activities
aimed at the destruction of human rights, fundamental freedoms and
democracy, threatening territorial integrity, security of states and
destabilizing legitimately constituted governments, and the
international community should take the necessary steps to enhance
cooperation to prevent and combat terrorism."

The Final Communiqué of the Council of Europe Pompidou Group 2nd
Pan-European Ministerial Conference (Strasbourg, 4 February 1994)
underlines the fact that "considering the continuous increase in and
the spread of drug trafficking incidents, the involvement of violent
organizations in such activities constitute a serious threat to the
contemporary society" (Art.9), and thus, "it is vital for the security
forces to combat terrorism effectively" (Art.l5).

The UN Declaration on Measures to Eliminate International Terrorism
adopted at the 49th session of the General Assembly, underlines the
concern by the international community at the growing and dangerous
links between terrorists groups, drug traffickers and their
paramilitary gangs which have resorted to all types of violence, thus
endangering the constitutional order of States and violating basic
human rights. This Declaration also emphasizes the desirability of
closer cooperation and coordination among States in combating crimes
closely connected with terrorism, including drug trafficking, unlawful
arms trade, money laundering and smuggling of nuclear and other
potentially deadly materials.

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Foreign Press Reports

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* In January 1992, the Bremen Police arrested a "Kurd" selling drugs.
The police found a bunch of keys in his pocket, which belonged to an
apartment where "Kurds" lived. Hanging on the walls of the said
apartment were posters of the PKK and its leader Abdullah Öcalan. The
police also found some clues suggesting that the PKK finances its armed
struggle by the heroin trade (SAT-1 TV, 24 Hours, 6 January 1992).

* In 1992, a total number of 2,069 drug addicts died in Germany. In the
same year, the German police apprehended some children aged 10-12,
coming from southeastern Turkey and selling drugs in Hamburg. A child
of 8 carrying a firearm was also arrested. All these children confessed
that the PKK was using them to sell drugs, since they did not have
penal responsibility. The police seized 30 kg. of heroin from a "Kurd"
who was said to have transferred DM 150,000 to his partners. The
estimated figure the PKK earns from the narcotics trade is more than 56
million DM (VOX TV ; Germany, 12 February 1993).

* In 1993, more than 50 PKK members were arrested by the Essen Police
of Germany. The Federal Criminal Department in Wiesbaden found out that
the PKK was organizing drug trafficking in Germany and the narcotics
trade in Hamburg, Bremen, Frankfurt and Essen was under the control of
the PKK (German Daily "NRZ," 30 March 1993).

* The Hamburg Criminal Police arrested a band of Kurdish drug smugglers
on 15 September 1993. 11-year-old children, who were also arrested with
the other members of the band, later confessed to the police that the
PKK illegally brought them from Turkey to Germany in order to make them
sell drugs for the organization (Hamburg Local TV Broadcast, 15
September 1993).

* Three years of intensive police investigation by the Slagelse Police
and the Narcotics Section of the National Police Force in Denmark
resulted in the solution of several armed robberies whose spoils were
used to finance narcotics purchases. The police captured a Danish
person, who had links with two Turkish narcotics kingpins living in
Denmark. During the trial the close relationship between these people
and the PKK was proven. The superintendent Niels Bech of the National
Police Force expressed that large parts of the profits from the
narcotics sales in Denmark have returned to Turkey. In one case DDK
140,000 were sent to Turkey and kilos of heroin was sent to Europe in
return (Danish Daily, "Berlingske Tidende," 31 October 1993).

* Two young PKK members (aged 14 and 16) were caught by the police
selling drugs at the Trabrennbahn Train Station near Wandsbeck on 26
September 1994 ("Bild-Hamburg" 28 September 1994).

* On 5-6 October 1994 the "Bild" reported that narcotics were being
distributed from Jork in Alten Land to Northern Germany and that the
Kurdish dealers transferred 15 million DM to their collaborators in
Turkey.

* On 24 October 1994 the German magazine "Focus" wrote that in the last
9 years 315 PKK members were involved in drug trafficking around
Europe, 154 of whom were captured in Germany.

* Ralf Brottscheller, the Senator of Interior of Bremen, accused the
PKK of extortion and organized narcotics smuggling ("Focus," 18
September 1995).

* In France, the Aulnay Sous Bois Public Security Units and Paris
Bureau of Combating Narcotics Trafficking conducted an operation which
was completed after long and careful preparations of 18 months. 30
people involved in narcotics trafficking on behalf of the PKK and the
Mafia active in France and Belgium were taken into custody after the
operation (French Press, 4 November 1996).

* The Belgian Gendarmerie raided a camp in Zutendaal/Genk, in which the
PKK militants were being trained, and apprehended 35 people, including
children and some internationally wanted criminals ("Arnhemse Courant,"
22 November 1996).

* The administrators of a facade company helping the PKK's activities
in France were taken into custody in Paris (French Press, 25 February
1997).

* The "Observatoire Geopolitique Des Drogues" noted in its monthly
report that the biggest heroin seizure in Hungary to date was made on
December 12, 1996, aboard a Turkish bus belonging to the Toros Line
company. The Turkish traffickers, caught with 42 kg. heroin turned out
to be "Kurds." The report mentions the case of a Romanian citizen who,
upon his arrest with 2 kg. heroin by the Turkish police in Edirne in
September 1995, admitted that he was running for the PKK drugs in one
direction and explosives in the other.

The report also notes that 65 percent of the drugs confiscated by the
Romanian customs officers are found on passenger vehicles and that
"every time Romanian police make a drug haul at a Turkish company,
Kurds are involved" ("The Geopolitical Drug Dispatch", No. 65, March
1997).

* A high level member of the PKK, known as the PKK chief in the
Hannover area, was arrested in Berlin. He had been wanted by the German
police on charges of arson attacks, and damage to private property. The
police found out evidence regarding the PKK's involvement in illicit
labor trafficking ("Berliner Zeitung" 4 April 1997).

* 20 refugees were arrested in a police raid on a refugee hostel which
was discovered to be a PKK base, in Grimma, Bahren. The operation was
conducted jointly by the German police and experts from the Federal
Criminal Department. The police confiscated various fire arms,
thousands of DM and receipts. These immigrants were actively involved
in the activities of the PKK and its facade branches (German Press, 4
April 1997).

* The Bavarian police conducted a series of operations against the PKK
militants in refugee camps, arrested 2, and took into custody 17 of
them (Statement by Straubing Police Directorate dated 17 June 1997).

* The PKK transfers people, weapons and drugs through the FRY (Former
Republic of Yugoslavia) and purchases weapons in return (Croatian daily
"Vjesnik" August 1997).

* The "Focus" magazine remarked on 23 March 1998 that members of the
PKK invested the money laundered from drug trafficking and extortion in
the real estate market in Celle, Germany.

* On August 1, 1998, the Croatian and Slovenian security forces jointly
confiscated 38 kg. of heroin in a vehicle bound for western Europe.
According to the Croatian reports, the shipment of the heroin was
realized by Turkish citizens "who are most probably members of the PKK"
This is consistent with the statements made by Slovenian security
forces who have pointed to a "reasonable suspicion" that a member of
the PKK is involved in the smuggling (Croatian and Slovenian press
reviews, 6 August 1998).

* Four "Kurdish" people were captured with 2.6 kg. heroin, the largest
amount of narcotics ever captured in west Norway. It is thought that
the four people caught were merely couriers and that the trafficking
was carried out by a "Turkish/Kurdish" network (Bergen, 7 August 1998).

* "...The PKK has financed its war against Turkey by extortion and the
sale of heroin, and according to British security service sources it is
responsible for 40 percent of the heroin sold in the European Union..."
(British weekly magazine "The Spectator", 28 November-5 December 1998
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* In January 1990, a PKK member was arrested in Switzerland for selling
drugs on behalf of the PKK. In the same month a 13-year-old person,
also linked to the PKK, was captured in the Netherlands and was
released as being too young to prosecute.

* A Turkish citizen of Kurdish origin, apprehended in France on 22
January 1991, confessed that he had been trading drugs in France on
behalf of the PKK and that the drugs were transported by trucks or
sometimes by tourist vehicles and then distributed to different cities
not only in France but in various other countries in Europe as well.

* After being arrested on 7 March 1991 in France, a "Kurdish" person
confessed that the drugs he was selling belonged to the PKK.

* Another Turkish citizen of "Kurdish" descent, captured with 48 kg. of
heroin in Arnheim in November 1991, was found out to be a PKK member.

* The German Police reports underline the fact that l,103 kg. of heroin
was seized by the police in 1991 and 400 of 735 suspects involved in
the drug trading incidents were PKK members. This ratio mounted to
450/735 in 1992 and 300/457 in 1993.

* The US Department of State Bureau of International Narcotics Matters
expressed in its International Narcotics Control Strategy Report (1992)
that the two-thirds of the people involved in drug trafficking
incidents in Europe are PKK-oriented.

* An active PKK member working as a truck driver, who was known to have
stood as a candidate in Bonn in the 1992 elections for the PKK's
so-called National Assembly, was seized in Troisdorf, Germany, while
transporting substantial amounts of drugs.

* In 1993, the police seized 200 kg. of heroin in London. Further
investigation revealed that the drug traders were working for the PKK.

* A police operation in Offenbach, Germany on 7 January 1993, led to
the seizure of 5 kilos of heroin. Among the seven people captured by
the police was a person known as the "PKK's accountant."

* As a consequence of the operations conducted by the German police in
Hamburg, Bremen and Bad Bramstad during May-October 1993, 15.7 kg. of
heroin was confiscated and 22 people were apprehended, including PKK
members and supporters. The criminals turned out to have requested
political asylum from the German authorities.

* 15 Turkish citizens with "Kurdish" descent were arrested in
connection with 1.6 kg. heroin seized by the German police in
Recklinghausen, Germany, on 27 October 1993. Among those were the
participants at pro-PKK demonstrations in Turkey.

* A message by the German Interpol dated October 26, 1993, pointed out
that six Turkish citizens with Kurdish origin were arrested on charges
of laundering the proceeds from drug trafficking in the Netherlands,
Spain, Italy and Germany. Large sums of cash, thought to be laundered
money, were captured by the German police.

* Another Turkish citizen of "Kurdish" origin, captured in Caracas,
Venezuela on 10 November 1993, while carrying 3.5 kg. of cocaine,
confessed that she was a PKK courier. This incident is said to prove
the links of the PKK with the drug cartels even in Latin America.

* The NCIS estimated that the 44 percent of 1993 budget of the PKK as
430 million French Francs, came from illicit drug trafficking.

* During a six-week campaign initiated by the Stuttgart city police in
January 1994, 76 people were apprehended, including some who had been
formerly prosecuted in Turkey because of their links with the terrorist
organization.

* On 17 August 1994 the German Criminal Authority informed the Turkish
Security Authorities that a political refugee, resident in Kiel, was
engaged in drug trade and money transfer to the PKK.

* The US Deputy Secretary of State in charge of narcotics, Ambassador
Robert Felbard, answering a question at a press briefing in February
1994 regarding the PKK supervision of drug trafficking in Europe and
the United States, stated that the US had quite a bit of information
about the PKK's involvement in the trafficking of heroin into Europe.

* The Amsterdam police, during an anti-drug operation on 11 December
1994, seized numerous firearms, machine guns, bombs and PKK documents
and arrested several PKK militants.

* The Bavarian Minister of Interior, Günter Beckstein, referring to
the 30 PKK militants captured in Europe during the last two years,
stated that the PKK has taken control of the European narcotics market
(Turkish daily, "Cumhuriyet," 31 July 1995).

* The Director of German Terrorism Research Forum, Rolp Tophoven, has
stated that a large majority of the people arrested on charges of
narcotics smuggling are of "Kurdish" descent, many of whom confess
committing the crime on behalf of the terrorist PKK (Turkish daily,
"Yeni Yüzy›l," 12 November 1995).

* Olivier Foll, another expert on international terrorism, noted that
the PKK members, when apprehended for illegal possession of narcotics,
confess to smuggling drugs for the PKK and exploit the "political"
dimension of the issue as an excuse for their crimes. Mr. Foll
criticized the "Kurdish" policies of some European statesmen who grant
concessions to the PKK (Turkish daily "Yeni Yüzy›l," 12 November
1995).

* During the Sputnik operation of September 18, 1996, the Belgian
police seized 350 million Belgian Francs that were thought to have been
the proceeds from narcotics trafficking. Seven people having ties with
the PKK were apprehended in connection with the crime. The Sputnik
operation also revealed that the MED-TV, the mouthpiece of the PKK, is
involved in PKK's money laundering activities. The MED-TV
representative in Germany was taken into custody as he was unable to
explain the source of the 500 million BF, used in financing the
station. It was later found that he was using revenues from drug
trafficking for financing not only the MED-TV but also the so-called
"Kurdistan Parliament in Exile" (KPE). The Belgian police seized many
firearms in the KPE building they searched.

* In August 1997, the German police conducted a comprehensive operation
against the PKK members in Cologne in which six members of the PKK were
arrested. After the operation, Cologne police officers issued a
statement emphsizing the fact that the PKK is involved in organized
crime including extortion in Germany to finance its acts of terrorism.

* The Göttingen police of Germany, after a 14-month investigation,
managed to penetrate the drug smuggling network with two "Kurdish"
informers in May 1998 and found out that the revenues from 40 kg. of
heroin marketed were channeled to the PKK.

* The KDP (The Kurdistan Democratic Party of Masud Barzani) forces
discovered extensive narcotics farms in the Gali Pes Agha region of
northern Iraq, captured from the PKK in May 1997.

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* A PKK member, captured by the police with 14.5 kg. of heroin on 1
September 1993, confessed that he was acting on behalf of the PKK
abroad, and that he was a drug-smuggler, transferring 30 percent of the
proceeds to the terrorist organization.

* Following the confiscation of 20.3 kg. of heroin in Duisburg,
Germany, two PKK supporters were arrested by the German police. This
triggered a police investigation in Turkey, which led to the seizure of
firearms and munitions in a vehicle owned by the same family in the
city of Mersin on 12 May 1993.

* A PKK militant of Iranian origin confessed that the terrorist
organization has drug production facilities in Iran and that Osman
Öcalan (the brother of Abdullah Öcalan and a leading figure of the
terrorist organization PKK) is in charge of the production of narcotics
which are later marketed mainly in Europe to raise money for the
organization.

* Two PKK militants, arrested with 30 kg. of heroin, expressed that
they were aiming to sell the drugs to provide financial contributions
to the PKK.

* The Turkish Security Forces seized 120 kg. of heroin and 40 kg. of
hemp seeds (cannabis) in a PKK shelter in southeastern Turkey.

* One PKK member, who was put in jail on 3 July 1993 for getting
involved in the terrorist acts of the PKK in Hakkari and released on 20
October 1993, was captured with 36 kg. of heroine, 140 kg. of
precursors and some other drug-producing material.

* Another member of the PKK, sentenced to 6 years of imprisonment,
confessed that he was in charge of establishing the links between the
drug smugglers and the terrorist organization.

* During the operations conducted by the Turkish security forces, two
people, captured with 48 kg. of hashish, were arrested as they were
found out to be involved in narco-trade so as to provide financial
support to the PKK.

* Another Turkish citizen said to be of "Kurdish-origin", caught by the
police in possession of 117 kilos of hashish in Istanbul, was later
found to have participated in the PKK-led attack on the Turkish
Consulate General in Frankfurt on March 1l, 1992.

* One Turkish citizen of "Kurdish-origin" apprehended in July 1994
confessed that he was involved in drug trafficking to raise money for
the PKK. The police, making use of the information he disclosed, were
able to arrest some other members of the terrorist organization.

* On 1 August 1994 a PKK member, apprehended in Diyarbak›r with 2 kg.
of heroin, acknowledged that he was selling drugs for the PKK. He also
informed the police that some PKK members were cultivating drugs and
gave the names of the places where hemp seeds (cannabis) were grown. In
further investigation the police captured 120,000 roots of hemp seeds
in a village named Dibek.

* On 21 August 1994 the Turkish security forces apprehended two people
with 150 kg. of hashish and considerable amounts of hemp seeds and
hashish growing material. The security forces also captured PKK
documents and propaganda material and two machine guns.

* Diyarbak›r Police, conducting an operation against the PKK on 17
July 1994, apprehended three people with 80 kg. of hashish, PKK
documents, a gun and three ERNK seals. These people confessed that the
PKK ordered them to sell the drugs and purchase firearms and food
supplies for the organization. The said people turned out to have
participated in various terror acts such as the rocket attack to and
storming of a police residence in Lice on 29 June, the bomb attack on
the residence of a judge in Diyarbak›r on 16 January 1994, and a bomb
attack on a police patrol car.

* Seven people captured in the city of Cizre on 23 March 1994 with
398.5 kilos of heroin confessed to smuggling narcotics on behalf of the
PKK.

* The security forces have had strong evidence suggesting that a
network composed of PKK militants is involved in drug trading in Zaho,
northern Iraq. The network is known to hand the drugs over to clients
either in Zaho or in Turkey. Therefore, it was not very surprising that
during the operation by the Turkish Armed Forces in northern Iraq
against the PKK, the Turkish army discovered a large farm where the
terrorists cultivated hemp (cannabis). The farm was located near the
PKK's Pirvela Camp in the Bahara valley. The Turkish military officers
announced that the amount of drugs captured during the operation in
northern Iraq reached 4.5 tons.

* In a raid on 7 March 1995 on the residence of a person, suspected by
the police of having contact with the PKK militants, the Turkish police
seized large amounts of drugs, drug precursor chemicals, firearms and
ammunitions.

* Three of the seven people caught with 21.5 kilos of heroin in
Hamburg, Germany, have been found out to have been formerly arrested in
Turkey on charges of PKK membership.

* The two people caught by the police with 20.6 kilos of narcotics in
‹zmir on August 5, 1996, have been found out to be running an
association linked to the PKK in the Netherlands.

* Another PKK sympathizer, who was captured with acetic anhydride, a
heroin precursor chemical, by the Turkish security forces in the city
of Van on March 24, 1998, was found to have been previously arrested
for providing logistic support to the PKK.

* The Turkish security forces have strong evidence that the PKK
militants, settled in the Iranian part of our common border, receive
commissions from the narcotics smugglers called "taxes or donations."


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The role of the PKK in incidents given above is undeniable, both
because of the documents seized by the security forces and the
backgrounds of the arrested people. Still, in certain Western
countries, the activities of this terrorist organization, are
regrettably being tolerated.

After the prohibition of PKK in France and Germany towards the end of
1993, a wave of optimism emerged in Turkish public opinion that the
rest of the European countries would follow suit by adopting similar
measures. This, however, has not happened to date. Yet, it is clear
that the prohibition of the PKK and its front organizations in European
countries would also be in the interest of these countries. The PKK is
responsible for narcotics trafficking, extortion, robbery, and illicit
arms and human smuggling activities, and thus circumvent the rule of
law and compromises the security and stability of the countries in
which it operates. It is no coincidence that drug trafficking cases
predominantly occur in those countries where the organization of the
PKK is extensive and tolerated.


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Is There A "Kurdish Question" in Turkey?

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As the first melting pot and encounter point of many different
civilizations and cultures, present-day Turkey contains a multitude of
ethnic, religious and cultural elements. Turkey is proud of its great
heritage. This centuries-long shared way of life is perfectly
second-nature for the people of Turkey.

Yet, different ethnic identities, including the Kurdish, are
acknowledged and accepted in Turkey. The state does not categorize its
citizens along ethnic lines nor does it impose an ethnic identity on
them. Population censuses in Turkey never count people on the basis of
their ethnic origins. But, this does not prevent an individual citizen
to identify himself or herself in terms of a specific ethnic category.
That is a private affair and ultimately a matter of personal
preference. Public expressions and manifestations of ethnic identity
are prohibited neither by law nor by social custom. Folklore is rich
and colorful and local variations, customs and traditions are protected
and supported.

Turkey is a constitutional state governed by the rule of law. Democracy
rests on a parliamentary system of government, respect for human rights
and on the supremacy of law. Multi-party politics, free elections, a
growing tradition of local government mark the democratic way of life
in Turkey.

Constitutional citizenship is one of the principles upon which the
Turkish state was founded. The Turkish Constitution stipulates that the
State and the Nation are indivisible, and that all citizens
irrespective of their ethnic, racial or religious origin, are equal
before the law.

For historical and cultural reasons, and under stipulations of binding
international treaties, the concept of "minority" applies specifically
to certain groups of non-Moslem citizens. In fact, the social fabric of
Turkey is a unique real life case of the OSCE principle that "not all
ethnic, cultural, linguistic or religious differences necessarily lead
to the creation of national minorities". Our citizens of Kurdish ethnic
origin are not discriminated against and they feel themselves to be
equal members of the society. Many have risen to the highest positions
in the Republic. They share the same opportunities and the same destiny
as the rest of the population.

Ethnicity is not a factor in the political geography of Turkey. That
is, the predominant majority of the Turkish citizens of Kurdish descent
live in western Turkey, with the greatest concentration being in
Istanbul. Even in eastern and southeastern Turkey, the Turkish citizens
of Kurdish ethnic origin do not constitute a majority. The unitary
structure of the State reflects the equality and togetherness of
different geographic regions of Turkey.

Therefore, it is simply neither understandable nor acceptable for
Turkey to discuss "the respect for social, economic and legitimate
political aspirations of Kurds" as if the Turkish citizens of Kurdish
ethnic descent constitute a different and separate community. They are
citizens of a nation that has been sharing for centuries the same
values with respect to language, religion, culture and patriotic
identity, common history and the will for a mutual future.

It is of cardinal importance to differentiate between a militant
organization, which resorts systematically to terrorism as well as all
kinds of organized crime, and the phenomenon of Kurdish ethnicity. It
is evident that our citizens of Kurdish ethnic origin are law-abiding
people. Most of them live in western Turkey, drawn by economic
attraction. They are of their own choice integrated into the society
and its economic, social and cultural aspects. In Turkey, citizens of
all ethnic origins can rise to the highest political positions and
ranks such as cabinet ministers and members of parliament. Throughout
the centuries, much mixing has taken place through intermarriages.
Progress in industrial, cultural and social fields, as well as
urbanization, has also contributed to the voluntary and natural process
of integration.

The population in southeast Anatolia, like our citizens in other
regions of the country, participate fully in the political life of
Turkey; they freely make their voices heard in local administrations,
in the municipalities, the Parliament, and the central government
through elected representatives. It is nothing out of the ordinary for
the individuals of different ethnic origins to participate in the
political life of the country. Even the most militant circles concede
the fact that there are no obstacles to social mobility of individuals
from different ethnic origins to any profession or career, whether
public or private.

The fundamental rights and freedoms of all Turkish citizens are secured
by the relevant provisions of the Constitution. However, those rights
have been threatened by the PKK, creating terror among the populace.

None of our citizens of Kurdish ethnic origin, notwithstanding
allegations to the contrary, who publicly or politically asserts
his/her Kurdish ethnic identity risks harassment or persecution.
However, acts or statements made against the "territorial integrity" of
Turkey are subject to legal prosecution under the law. If these
allegations were true, none of the publications in Kurdish whose
contents are full of assertions of Kurdish ethnic identity would have
been tolerated by the authorities.

In the same vein, Turkey is often accused of refusing to negotiate with
the terrorist organization PKK. These accusations contradict the
fundamental rules of international law. Negotiating with a terrorist
organization, responsible for thousands of murders, would be tantamount
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Is the Use of Kurdish Banned in Turkey ?

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Contrary to the allegations of some biased quarters, there is no
restriction on the use of languages in Turkey. Presently, there are
many private radio-TV stations broadcasting and numerous books and
journals published both in Turkish and in various dialects of "Kurdish"
throughout the country. It should be mentioned here that "Kurdish" can
be hardly depicted as "a single language" linguistically or socially.
Many scholars point out the fact that there are many different local
languages and dialects used in southeastern Turkey such as Zaza and
Kirmanchi which are only as close to each other as French and English.
These local languages and dialects are so dissimilar that people living
in one village cannot even communicate with others from a neighboring
village. As a result, Turkish has become the sole medium of
communication in the region. It is ironic that Turkish is also used in
PKK's militant training camps and in the communication between its
headquarters and terrorists as their common language.

The official language of the Republic of Turkey is Turkish, but
Armenian, Ladino, Greek, the different dialects of "Kurdish", etc. are
spoken freely in daily life. There is only one official language in the
country. However, in this respect Turkey does not constitute a unique
and exceptional case either in Europe or among other democratic
countries.

It should also be underlined that expressions of ethnic identity such
as the use of local languages are viewed as private domain matters.
Thus, they are not the subject of law and are therefore not regulated
by the state. The Turkish language is the language of the Republic of
Turkey and is consequently the only formal language of education and
instruction. The same is true in most democracies. Though it is
possible to help promote them, it is neither realistic nor feasible to
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Socio-Economic Development of Southeastern Turkey and the Southeastern
Anatolia Project (GAP)

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The Atatürk Dam is the largest component of the Southeastern Anatolia
Project (GAP).

The Southeastern Anatolia Project (GAP), consisting of a complex system
of dams, waterworks, irrigation and hydraulic energy network is a
colossal investment of Turkey, the biggest regional initiative ever
attempted in Turkey. It aims at changing the whole complexion of the
arid geography and consequently, the social and economic backwardness
of southeastern Anatolia. The Turkish Government has always believed
that one of the best tools in the struggle against terrorism is
economic development. It is no accident that the region in which the
PKK operates is also the least economically developed part of Turkey.
The Turkish Government is determined to rectify that.

It is a fact that there are socio-economic regional imbalances in
Turkey as in every developing, even some developed countries. Rough
geographic and climatic conditions of southeastern Turkey are the main
factors in this imbalance. Terrorism and economic backwardness of the
region affect all our citizens indiscriminately. Despite many
governmental incentives and low taxation policies, the private sector
had in the past been reluctant to invest in the region, mainly due to
security concerns. Public sector has taken the place of the private
sector and many investments have already been realized by the State.
"GAP" is the best example of that. Government investment in this region
is much higher than the amount of taxes collected there. "GAP" is a
gigantic economic step forward which will change the destiny of the
region. Agricultural production of Turkey will rise by several folds
when this project, which is both energy and irrigation oriented, is
completed. Yet, its important impact is not expected only on
agricultural production, but also on industry, construction, services,
as well as on the Gross Regional Product and employment. When the
project is completed, per capita income will increase three times, and
3.3 million jobs will be created.

The Southeastern Anatolia Project constitutes an integrated project
which contributes significantly to the realization of national targets
for the utilization of development potentials, self-induced economic
growth, social stability and enhancement of export possibilities, and
at the same time aims at the promotion of the principle of sustainable
human development; thus, human development is the core of sustainable
development in the "GAP" region. In this context, the "GAP Social
Action Plan" consists of the basic policies, targets, strategies and
implementation measures for ensuring the social development of the
region through a human-centered approach emphasizing sustainability of
the development. This people-centered development aims to remove the
gap between the project area and the more developed regions in Turkey
and to promote equitable development.

This ambitious socio-economic development drive also explains why the
PKK has been targeting civilians as well as economic and social
projects. PKK's aim is both to terrorize the local population and to
keep the region economically and socially backward so as to recruit
more militants into its own ranks. However, this is being reversed as
the GAP began to bear its fruits. For example, although the so-called
head of the PKK is from ?anl›urfa, there has never been a terrorist
act there, because it is an economically powerful settlement. The state
of emergency still has to continue in some of the provinces of
southeastern Turkey. It is the direct consequence and explicit proof of
the PKK terrorism in the region. It is of utmost importance for Turkey
to augment the allocation of human and financial resources for the
socio-economic development of this region. The precondition to achieve
this task is the eradication of the PKK terrorist organization.

Eradication of terrorism will not only put an end to the deliberate
devastation by terrorists of the underdeveloped regions of Turkey, but
also release important resources for developmental activity in those
very regions. While terrorism might be viewed as a consequence of
certain underlying causes, it is also incontestably true that terrorism
is itself the main reason of poverty and underdevelopment of those
areas where it is perpetrated.

In sum, our citizens of all ethnic origins -Turkish, Kurdish and
others- living together for more than ten centuries in Turkey have
created a society of patriotic citizens sharing common values. They
established their own nation-state, the Turkish Republic, following the
War of Independence. Ethnic descent is not considered a cause of
discrimination or privilege just as in all modern nation States on the
globe.

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After Europeans very generously supported and sponsored Greek,
Armenian, Arab and other terrorists, with a veracious appetite for
innocent Turkish blood, to massacre innocent and defenceless Turkish
subjects of Ottoman empire and to ethnically cleanse Ottoman
territories off of their Turkish inhabitants during WWI, and after they
harbored, supported, sponsored PKK/KADEK terrorist organization which
murdered nearly fourty thousands innocent human beings to destroy
Turkey to establish a marxist, lennisist, communist PKK/KADEK
dictortship in Turkey, and other terrorist and extremist Islamist
terrorist organizations and persons with the same purpose, and Armenian
terrorists who, during 1970s and '80s, murdered hundreds of Turkish
diplomats, their family members, colleagues, embassy personnel (Turkish
and local), and having missed no chance whatsoever to fabricate
anti-Turkish hate propaganda based on total lies in every possible
instance and relentlessly complain about Turkey, it is very clear that
the purpose of Europe is to destroy the democratic Republic of Turkey
and totally wipe out the Turkish race/nation off of the face of Earth.



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Terrorist Armenians raped, tortured, massacred millions of innocent and
defenceless Turks, Jews, Kurds, Arabs and other non-Armenians in
Ottoman Eastern Anatolia during WWI (with direct and generous support
from their allies, the victors of WWI including Czarist Russia which
also created the mess in the Middle East, including the fake state of
Iraq, millions of people are suffering from now) to ethnically cleanse
the area for an Armenian homeland which never existed.

The rest of the Ottoman Armenian population either very blindly
followed their terrorist leaders (who were ".. craven and mean-spirited
and exel in nothing except drinking ..imperfect Christians" - Marco
Polo), or remained totally complacent.

After WWI ended, the British convened the Malta Tribunals to try
Ottoman officials for alleged crimes against Armenians. All of the
accused were acquitted.

The Peace Treaty of Sevres, which was imposed upon the defeated Ottoman
Empire, required the Ottoman government to hand over to the Allied
Powers people accused of "massacres." Subsequently, 144 high Ottoman
officials were arrested and deported for trial by the British to the
island of Malta. The principal informants to the British High
Commission in Istanbul leading to the arrests were local Armenians and
the Armenian Patriarchate. While the deportees were interned on Malta,
the British appointed an Armenian scholar, Mr. Haig Khazarian, to
conduct a thorough examination of documentary evidence in the Ottoman,
British, and U.S. Archives to substantiate the charges. Access to
Ottoman records was unfettered as the British and French occupied and
controlled Istanbul at the time. Khazarian's corps of investigators
revealed an utter lack of evidence demonstrating that Ottoman officials
either sanctioned or encouraged killings of Armenians.

At the conclusion of the investigation, the British Procurator General
determined that it was "improbable that the charges would be capable of
proof in a court of law," exonerated and released all 144 detainees --
after two years and four months of detention without trial. No
compensation was ever paid to the detainees.

Despite the verdicts of the Malta Tribunals, Armenian terrorists have
engaged in a vigilante war that continues today.

In 1921, a secret Armenian network based in Boston, named Nemesis, took
the law into its own hands and hunted down and assassinated former
Ottoman Ministers Talaat Pasha and Jemal Pasha as well as other Ottoman
officials. Following in Nemesis' footsteps, during the 1970's and
1980's, the Armenian terrorist groups, Armenian Secret Army for the
Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) and Justice Commandos for the Armenian
Genocide (JCAG), committed over 230 armed attacks, killing 71 innocent
people, including 31 Turkish diplomats, and seriously wounding over 520
people in a campaign of blood revenge.

Most recently, Mourad Topalian, former Chairman of the Armenian
National Committee of America, was tried and convicted in federal court
in Ohio of terrorist crimes associated with bombings in New York and
Los Angles and with the attempted assassination of the Turkish Honorary
Consul General in Philadelphia. The Armenian youths whom Topalian
directed and who conducted these attacks were recruited from the
Armenian Youth Federation and Armenian Revolution Federation in Boston.

The sole purpose of Armenian anti-Turkish hatred Inc. is to cover up
the dire circumstances that precipitated the enactment of a measure as
drastic as mass relocation. Armenians cooperated with Russian invaders
of Eastern Anatolia in wars in 1828, 1854, and 1877. Between 1893 and
1915 Ottoman Armenians in eastern Anatolia rebelled against their
government -- the Ottoman government of which Armenians held many, many
prominent and powerful positions-- and joined Armenian revolutionary
groups, such as the notorious Dashnaks and Hunchaks. They armed
themselves and spearheaded a massive Russian invasion of eastern
Anatolia. On November 5, 1914, the President of the Armenian National
Bureau in Tblisi declared to Czar Nicholas II, "From all countries
Armenians are hurrying to enter the ranks for the glorious Russian
Army, with their blood to serve the victory of Russian arms. ... Let
the Russian flag wave freely over the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus."
Armenian treason is also plainly documented in the November 1914 issue
of the Hunchak Armenian [Revolutionary] Gazette, published in Paris. In
a call to arms it exhorted:

"The entire Armenian Nation will join forces -- moral and material, and
waving the sword of Revolution, will enter this World conflict ... as
comrades in arms of the Triple Entente, and particularly Russia. They
will cooperate with the Allies, making full use of all political and
revolutionary means for the final victory...."

Boghos Nubar addressed a letter to the Times of London on January 30,
1919 confirming that the Armenians were indeed belligerents in World
War I. He stated with pride:

"In the Caucasus, without mentioning the 150,000 Armenians in the
Russian armies, about 50,000 Armenian volunteers under Andranik,
Nazarbekoff, and others not only fought for four years for the cause of
the Entente, but after the breakdown of Russia they were the only
forces in the Caucasus to resist the advance of the Turks...."

One of those who answered the Armenian call to arms was Gourgen
Yanikian who, as a teenager, joined the Russians to fight the Ottoman
government, and who as an elderly man, on January 27, 1973,
assassinated two Turkish diplomats in Santa Barbara, California.

No logic can reconcile the two positions that Armenian Anti-Turkish
Hatred Inc. promotes. Eminent historian Bernard Lewis, speaking to the
Israeli daily Ha'aretz on January 23, 1998, expanded on this notion:

"The Armenians want to benefit from both worlds. On the one hand, they
speak with pride of their struggle against Ottoman despotism, while on
the other hand, they compare their tragedy to the Jewish Holocaust. I
do not accept this. I do not say that the Armenians did not suffer
terribly. But I find enough cause for me to contain their attempts to
use the Armenian massacres to diminish the worth of the Jewish
Holocaust and to relate to it instead as an ethnic dispute."
(translation)

None of the Ottoman orders commanding the relocation of Armenians,
which have been reviewed by historians to date, orders killings. To the
contrary, they order Ottoman officials to protect relocated Armenians.

Where Ottoman control was weakest Armenian relocatees suffered most.
The stories of the time give many examples of columns of hundreds of
Armenians guarded by as few as two Ottoman gendarmes. When local
Muslims attacked the columns, Armenians were robbed and killed. It must
be remembered that these Muslims had themselves suffered greatly at the
hands of Armenians and Russians. In the words of U.S. Ambassador Mark
Bristol, "While the Dashnaks [Armenian revolutionaries] were in power
they did everything in the world to keep the pot boiling by attacking
Kurds, Turks and Tartars; [and] by committing outrages against the
Moslems ...."

Armenian Anti-Turkish Hatred Inc. purports that the wartime propaganda
of the enemies of the Ottoman Empire constitutes objective evidence.
Ambassador Henry Morgenthau, who is frequently quoted by Armenian
Americans, visited the Ottoman Empire with political, not humanitarian
aims. His correspondence with President Wilson reveals his intent was
to uncover or manufacture news that would goad the U.S. into joining
the war. Given that motive, Morgenthau sought to malign the Ottoman
Empire, an enemy of the Triple Entente. Morgenthau's research and
reporting relied in large part on politically motivated Armenians; his
primary aid, translator and confidant was Arshag Schmavonian, his
secretary was Hagop Andonian. Morgenthau openly professed that the
Turks were an inferior race and possessed "inferior blood." Thus, his
accounts can hardly be considered objective.

One ought to compare the wartime writings of Morgenthau and the
oft-cited Gen. J.G. Harbord to the post-war writings of Rear Admiral
Mark L. Bristol, U.S. Ambassador to the Republic of Turkey 1920 - 1926.
In a March 28, 1921 letter he writes:

"[R]eports are being freely circulated in the United States that the
Turks massacred thousands of Armenians in the Caucasus. Such reports
are repeated so many times it makes my blood boil. The Near East Relief
have the reports from Yarrow and our own American people which show
absolutely that such Armenian reports are absolutely false. The
circulation of such false reports in the United States, without
refutation, is an outrage and is certainly doing the Armenians more
harm than good. ... Why not tell the truth about the Armenians in every
way?"

Demographic studies prove that prior to World War I, fewer than 1.5
million Armenians lived in the entire Ottoman Empire. Thus, allegations
that more than 1.5 million Armenians from eastern Anatolia died is
false.

Figures reporting the total pre-World War I Armenian population vary
widely, with Armenian sources claiming far more than others. British,
French and Ottoman sources give figures of 1.05-1.50 million. Only
certain Armenian sources claim a pre-war population larger than 1.5
million. Comparing these to post-war figures yields a rough estimate of
losses. Historian and demographer, Dr. Justin McCarthy of the
University of Louisville, calculates the actual losses as slightly less
than 600,000. This figure agrees with those provided by British
historian Arnold Toynbee, by most early editions of the Encyclopedia
Britannica, and approximates the number given by Monseigneur Touchet, a
French missionary, who informed the Oeuvre d'Orient in February 1916
that the number of dead is thought to be 500,000. Boghos Nubar, head of
the Armenian delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in 1920, noted
the large numbers who survived the war. He declared that after the war
280,000 Armenians remained in the Anatolian portion of the occupied
Ottoman Empire while 700,000 Armenians had emigrated to other
countries.

Clearly then, a great portion of the Ottoman Armenians were not killed
as claimed by the Armenian Anti-Turkish Hatred Inc. and the 1.5 million
figure is gross and delibarate exaggeration. Each needless death is a
tragedy. Equally tragic are lies meant to inflame hatred by the
Armenian Anti-Turkish Hatred Inc.

Armenian losses were few in comparison to the over 2.5 million Muslim
dead from the same period. Reliable statistics demonstrate that
slightly less than 600,000 Anatolian Armenians died during the war
period of 1912-22. Armenians indeed suffered a terrible mortality. But
one must likewise consider the number of dead Muslims, Jews, Kurds and
other non-Armenains of Ottoman Eastern Anatolia who were murdered by
Armenian terrorists.

The statistics tell us that more than 2.5 million Anatolian Muslims
alone (Turks, Arabs, Kurds and others) perished in the hands of
Armenian terrorists. Thus, the years 1912-1922 constitute a horrible
period for humanity, not just for Armenians.

The numbers do not tell us the exact manner of death of the citizens of
Anatolia, regardless of ethnicity, who were caught up in both an
international war and an intercommunal struggle. Documents of the time
list intercommunal violence, forced migration of all ethnic groups,
disease, and, starvation as causes of death. Others died as a result of
the same war-induced causes that ravaged all peoples during the period.


The Ottoman Armenians openly agitated for a separate state in lands in
which they were numerically far inferior. The Hunchak and Dashnak
terrorist organizations, which survive to this day, were formed
expressly to agitate against the Ottoman government of which Armenians
were a powerful and influential part with many ministers, ambassadors,
generals, businessmen and other high and low level officials of
Armenian heritage. The Ottoman Armenians committed massacres against
Ottoman Muslims, Jews and other non-Armenians. During World War I,
Ottoman Armenians openly and with pride committed mass treason, took up
arms, traveled to Russia for training, and sported Russian uniforms.
Others, non-uniformed irregulars, operated against the Ottoman
government from behind the lines.
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GENOCIDES BY TURKEY'S ARMENIAN GENOCIDE CRITICS

By Bruce Fein

The Government of Turkey has been assailed by several members of the
European Union, the European Parliament, and various arms of government
in the United states for failing to concede that the 1915-23 treatment
of Armenian subjects by the Ottoman Empire constituted genocide under
terms of the Genocide Convention. One strategy for discouraging such
gratuitous insults to history and justice is to demonstrate that
Turkey's accusers have been guilty of the same misconduct but have
staunchly resisted self-condemnations as perpetrators of genocide, in
other words, they are applying a double and hypocritical legal standard
for the crime of genocide.

This essay elaborates on that strategy, and demonstrates the moral
selectivity of the EU and the United States in political and moral
posturing over the claimed Armenian genocide.

The Genocide Convention of 1948 defines the crime as any of the
following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a
national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing group members; 2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to
group members; 3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of
life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in
part; 4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
and, 5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

The Convention also extends the crime of genocide to reach conspiracy,
direct and public incitement, and attempt to commit genocide, or
complicity in the same.

With regard to the claimed Armenian genocide, strong disproving
evidence can be summoned. The relocations and killings of Armenians
were not based on ethnicity, but on reasonable suspicions that they
were aiding and aborting the war enemies of the Ottoman Empire during
World War I. Indeed, at the Versailles Peace Conference, Armenians
boasted of their treason to the Ottoman government and military heroics
for the World War I victors,
especially Russia and France. Moreover, tens of thousands of Armenians
were left undisturbed during the war in Istanbul, Izmir and elsewhere
in non-military sensitive zones, which shows that the Armenian
relocation orders pivoted on reasonable war necessities, not ethnicity,
a fundamental element of genocide. Additionally, Ottoman officials
prosecuted and punished more than 1,000 wayward soldiers for killings
or abuses of Armenians.

Furthermore, a substantial number of Armenian massacres during the war
were retaliation for their massacres of Ottoman Muslims, not because of
ethnicity or religion. Moreover, there was no historical animosity of
the Ottoman's toward Armenians, who had climbed to peaks of official
power and economic prosperity within the Empire before the World War I.
More could be said against the claimed Armenian genocide, but the above
sketch of contrary evidence enables a comparison with the proof of
genocide charges that could be asserted against EU members and the
United States. The following summarizes some of the genocide
indictments that might reasonably be brought against Turkey's
detractors:

1. Germany
Germany committed genocide against the Herero tribe in then Southwest
Africa during its colonial occupation in the 1890s. The best evidence
shows the Germans slaughtered members of the tribe because they
believed they were genetically and mentally inferior. The tribe was not
guilty of treason and not provoked the German savagery by its own
massacres of Germans. The butchery of the Hereros was not during
wartime when excesses are inevitable. Those who survived the initial
German genocide revolted against their brutal treatment with the
Hoitentots in 1904, but were viciously destroyed with vastly superior
arms or otherwise.

2. France
Substantial evidence implicates France in Algerian genocide during
1954-62 war of independence in which more than 200,000 Muslims were
slaughtered. Senior French officers who fought in Algeria have recently
confessed that torture and summary executions were routine grisly
instruments of French warfare. President Chirac and Prime Minister
Jospin, however, have fiercely opposed a parliamentary inquiry into the
genocide as exploring a subject best left to historians.

3. Belgium
Belgium is seemingly guilty of genocide during its gruesome
colonization of Belgian Congo under King Leopold II. The genocide
spurred the legendary book by Joseph Conrad, Heart of Darkness. The
King deliberately inflicted on numerous Congolese tribes conditions of
calculated to bring about their physical destruction in whole or in
part. Belgium's ugly Congo genocide has been recently chronicled in the
book, King Leopold's Ghost.

4. Portugal
Portugal's apparent genocides uncurtained in Angola, Portuguese Guinea,
and Mozambique during colonial years. The Portuguese sold back tribal
members as slaves, and inflicted brutal conditions of slave and caused
death to Angolan, Guinean, and Mozambican tribes.

5. Spain
Spain seems implicated in the genocides of hundreds of Caribbean and
Central and South American peoples, like the Mexican Aztecs, and the
genocide of Basques in mainland Spain. Spanish killings and
enslavements of indigenous tribes and peoples are notorious, and
stretched over centuries. Ditto for Spanish Basques living on the
border with France. Slavery was not ended in Cuba until Spain's defeat
in 1898 Spanish-American war. Spain may also have been guilty of
genocide in Spanish Morocco during its colonization.

6. Great Britain
The British apparently committed genocide of the Irish during the Great
Potato Famine, 1845-48. the Irish lost ½ their population from
emigration provoked by starvation conditions, and the British
aggravated the starvation by callous policies permitting the exports of
foodstuffs from Ireland during the famine calamity. The state of New
York in the United States teaches the Potato Famine as an example of
genocide.

7. Austria
Austria is guilty of the Jewish Holocaust. The sole reason it escaped
that hideous stigma is because of Cold War politics after World War II
when it was occupied by the West and the Soviet Union until 1955.

8. Greece
Greece is guilty of genocide of Ottoman Muslims in Crete and of Turkish
Cypriots in Cyprus twice, 1963-64 and 1974. The evidence of genocide is
voluminous, including testimony from former U.S. Undersecretary of
State George Ball and foreign reporters on the scene.

9. Italy
Italy is guilty of genocide in Ethiopia and Somalia during its
colonization and war aggressions, and a co-inspirator in the Jewish
Holocaust as an ally of Hitler's Third Reich.

10. Netherlands
The Dutch seem indictable for genocide of Indonesian tribes during its
long colonial rule that ended only after World War II. The Dutch
slaughtered and subjugated indigenous populations for economic gain and
a belief in their racial and religious superiority.

11. United States
The United states is seemingly guilty of genocides of several Native
American Indian tribes and blacks during slavery. The Sand Creek
massacre of helpless Indian woman and children and General Phil
Sheridan's fighting fighting creed that only good Indian is a dead
Indian exemplifies the former genocides. The lethal conditions of black
slavery captured in Harriet Beecher Stowe's Uncle Tom's Cabin
illustrates the latter genocide.

12. Australia and New Zealand
Neither country is a EU member, but both associated with its lofty
ideology of moral superiority, and were former colonies of Great
Britain. Both under the colonialism of the latter and during their
early years of independence, these twin nations committed genocides
against Australian aboriginals and New Zealand Maoris, respectively.

-- An Armenian and Muslim Tragedy? Yes !Genocide? No By Bruce Fein -

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ARMENIA

THE GREAT DECEPTION SECRETS OF A "CHRISTIAN" TERRORIST STATE
BY
SAMUEL A. WEEMS

Samuel A. Weems' new book could be titled ONE GOOD REASON THE MUSLIM
WORLD HATES THE
UNITED STATES. This book exposes selfish and wrong actions by the tiny
state of
Armenia and how they continue to use Christianity to obtain foreign aid
from Christian
nations and funding by Christian churches. Weems notes that foreign aid
is the number
one import of Armenia today and terrorism is this tiny state's number
one export.

The author of this book is a Scottish American, a life long Baptist,
and a taxpayer.
He has done extensive research in archives in Washington, D.C., London,
England,
Paris, France, Moscow, Russia and Istanbul, Turkey. The Armenian
archives are located
in Yerevan, Armenia and are not open to public. Also not open to public
are the
archives of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation, a political
terrorist organization
located in Boston, Massachusetts. These two Armenian archives escaped
scholarly
research and scrutiny to this very day. The author asks "What the
Armenians are trying
to hide?"

The author asks such questions as why an Armenian terrorist
organization, which gained
dictatorial power of Armenia in 1918 has its archives in the United
States?

Why are such archives closed to the general public, when the Armenians
take advantage
of the tax-exempt laws of the United States?

During the research process for this book, the author discovered that
the tiny state
of Armenia established what it calls its "Armenian Colony" in the
United States in
1918. In addition, Armenia established the Armenian National Union of
America, the
Armenian Press Bureau based in New York and other Armenian-based groups
in America at
the same time.

The sole purpose of these political action organizations was to seek
out U.S.
government funding and also money and contributions from Christians
throughout the
United States. In addition, these self-serving Armenian groups work to
influence
American public opinion, lobby elected officials, and oppose anything
connected to
Azerbaijan and Turkey. Such efforts that began during the World War I
continue
unabated to this very day.

Armenia "claims" to be the first Christian State on earth dating back
1700 years. The
question is asked: "Is Armenia really "Christian" as tested by true
Christian
standards?"

What has been the role of the one and only "official" Armenian State
Church in
terrorist activities?

The chapter of this book titled "HOLY TERROR" is revealing, because
this is the first
time anyone has researched the Armenian Apostolic Church (also known as
the Armenian
Orthodox Church) and its leadership role in state sponsored terrorism!

The author provides clear evidence, time after time, that Armenia has,
and continues
to play, the Christian vs. Muslim religion/race/ethnic card with great
success,
regardless of truth.

For example, in 1992, with a billion dollars in Russian military aid,
Armenia made a
surprise-sneak attack on its neighbor Azerbaijan. Armenia quickly
captured 20% of the
country and drove more than one million poor Azerbaijanis from their
homes. These
Muslims live today in tent city squalor. Clearly, this conduct was not
"love your
neighbor as your self" as Christ taught.

Proof is given that the Armenian Church (the state constitution makes
it the
"official" church of Armenia) has been, and continues to be a leader in
promoting and
supporting on-going terrorist activities. The author hasn't discovered
any evidence
that this so-called church speaks out in opposition to terrorist
acts--even when
Armenians were assassinating Turkish diplomats on a regular basis
throughout the world
starting in the 1970s and continued throughout the 1980s. Far from
denouncing Armenian
terrorism, the Armenian Church was the scene of systematic fund raising
efforts
designed to finance the legal defenses of the few Armenian terrorists
who were caught
and later convicted.

The government of the United States backed this self-called tiny
Christian State by
thereafter providing 1.4 billion dollars in foreign aid, courtesy of
the American
taxpayer, that is more foreign aid per person than to any country on
earth.

At the same time, the United States Congress cut foreign aid assistance
to Azerbaijan.
The reason for this American government action is the result of the
successful lobby
work of the Armenian Colony within the United States. Armenian American
lobbyists
worded, handed over to some American lawmakers and eventually secured a
national law
that declares, on behalf of the United States government, that
Azerbaijan created an
"illegal blockade." All Azerbaijan did was to refuse to allow the
land-locked tiny
state of Armenia's permission to use Azerbaijan's ports to bring in
military supplies
to be used against the Azerbaijanis. This "self defense" was
successfully
misrepresented to the U.S. lawmakers as "illegal blockade".

Specific evidence is provided to prove, how the Armenian American
Colonists lobbied
American law-makers to punish Azerbaijan, because this nation defended
itself from the
"Christians", and refused to allow Armenia the privilege to transport
military
supplies across Azerbaijan's soil, to then use against Azerbaijan.
Wouldn't any nation
on earth do the same thing?

However, the United States government backed these "Christian"
lobbyists. Author Weems
asks the question: "Why did the United States join with Russia and take
sides in a
domestic matter against Azerbaijan?" The only answer is, it's a
"Christian" vs.
"Muslim" conflict. The Christians were wrong in the days of the
Crusades, just as they
are wrong in getting mixed up with the Armenians today!

The author asks the question: "Isn't this American support of joining
with the
Russians, to help "Christian" Armenia steal a neighbor's land by the
use of terrorism
and force more than one million poor Muslims from their homes, a very
good reason for
the Muslim world to hate Americans?"

The sad story is that Armenia has been carrying out terrorist actions
since 1918 that
continue to this day. What is even sadder is the fact that the United
States
government and too many American Christians still support Armenians by
giving money to
Armenia just because of the false Armenian claim: "We are fellow
Christians."

Every Christian in the United States must read this book, and do their
own
investigation to determine for themselves, the true story of Armenia.

The author provides, example after example, of how Armenians used
terrorism as
official policy, even before the founding of their Armenian
Revolutionary Federation
in 1890, and how a small band of dictators mislead their own people and
established a
dictatorial government that continues to use systematic violence to
advance their
causes to this day.

This book, among many revelations, will provide answers to many
questions:

It uncovers the name and official position of the person who made up
the tall tale
that the Ottoman government massacred 1.5 million Armenians. This book
also reveals
the actual date the wild tall tale was first told, and who the tall
tale was told to.
Weems then provides the evidence as to how the tall tale was then
spread throughout
the Christian world that continues to this very day.

It uncovers and reveals all the details of why the Ottoman government
kicked out all
the Armenians who lived in the eastern part of the country in 1915.
Proof is provided
that the Ottoman government had good cause to remove Armenians from
behind their army
that was fighting the Russians. The reason was simple. Armenians were
helping the
invading Russians, by disrupting the Ottoman Army supply lines.
Armenians, pretended
to be the friends of Ottomans' for more than 500 years, were playing
friends by day
and terrorists by night! Any nation on earth would have done the same
thing when the
nation was in danger of being destroyed!

The author has uncovered several American and British eyewitnesses who
saw the
Armenians leave the Ottoman lands. The question every reader will have
to answer is
this: "Whom do you believe? American and British officials who saw the
Armenians leave
the country, or the wild tall tales made up by "Armenians" who still
use the ever
growing tall tale as an excuse to try to get free hand-outs from
throughout the
Christian world?"

In this book the reader will discover that the author provides
evidence, given by the
Armenian historian, which proves that Armenians kept two sets of books.
One to support
their made up tall tale that 1.5 million of their people were
massacred, and another
set of books to count the same 1.5 million Armenians as refugees, so
that more foreign
handouts could be secured. One set of books to create pity, another to
rake in the
money unsuspecting Christians showered them with! The proof is that
there simply
cannot be 1.5 million Armenian people massacred, when the same 1.5
million Armenian
people counted as refugees. One can not be dead and alive at the same
time!

This book reveals, in detail, how Armenia has double-dealt friends and
neighbors
throughout history, with threads of continuity reaching to this very
day.

This book provides the proof that Armenia committed far more terrorist
acts than those
Ottomans they accuse of committing.

Armenians claim that they are fighting to reclaim their "ancient
homeland." This book
provides the evidence to prove that the lands Armenians claim as
"ancient" has only
been their home for less than 200 years, and that the Russians drove
out and killed
millions of Muslims and gave their "ancient homelands" to the
Armenians. Why did the
Russians do this? Both the Russians and Armenians were the same sort of
Christians
while the Muslims were "different"!

This is a book that every American taxpayer must read!

President Bush is attempting to build friendships throughout the Muslim
world because
of the extremist Muslim attacks on New York and Washington D.C. on
September 11th.
American taxpayers will discover how Armenian American Colonists are
opposing the
President's War on Terrorism for their own selfish interests. This book
presents facts
that will cause every non-Armenian Christian in the United States to
raise his or her
voice to protest the continuation of the federal government support and
giving
taxpayer's hard earned dollars as aid to Armenia, because Armenia is
fighting the
President and the United States War On Terrorism!

Samuel A. Weems does not have a drop of Armenian, Azerbaijani, or
Turkish blood in his
veins. He is a life long Christian. He is very active in his church and
has recently
produced an excellent video titled "The Seven Churches of Revelation."
He spent eight
weeks in Turkey making this video and doing research on this book. He
writes a regular
newspaper column, and he has a great deal of experience in the
political arena. He was
elected one of one hundred delegates to rewrite his state's
constitution. He served as
an elected member of his city council. He was also elected district
attorney and a
judge. While serving as a district attorney, he did extensive work in
Washington D. C.
to reform the nation's welfare and prison systems.

Samuel A. Weems's ability to research and go directly to the heart of a
problem,
thanks to his legal background, is revealed in this excellent book that
will cause
every non-Armenian American to become alarmed by the actions and
conduct of such
fellow citizens.

This author provides clear and convincing proof that Armenia is working
to do things
that endanger the safety and welfare of all citizens within the United
States! This,
in spite of the fact that U.S. citizens are keeping Armenia alive with
their tax
dollars!

ARMENIA-THE GREAT DECEPTION-SECRETS OF A "CHRISTIAN" STATE is a must
read for every
American who seeks the truth and wants to know how their tax dollars
and missionary
church money is spent!
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Sub-human terrorist Armenians raped, tortured, massacred millions of
innocent and defenceless Turks, Jews, Kurds, Arabs and other
non-Armenians in Ottoman Eastern Anatolia during WWI (with direct and
generous support from their allies, the victors of WWI including
Czarist Russia which also created the mess in the Middle East,
including the fake state of Iraq, millions of people are suffering from
now) to ethnically cleanse the area for an Armenian homeland which
never existed.

The rest of the Ottoman Armenian population either very blindly
followed their terrorist leaders (who were ".. craven and mean-spirited
and exel in nothing except drinking." - Marco Polo), or remained
totally complacent.

Another thug of Armenian anti-Turkish Hatred Inc indicates the typical
Armenian behavior correctly:

"No sir, you will not find Armenians who will express disapproval or
distress for the assassination of Turkish governmental officials. It is
unfortunate that the attitude of the Turkish government vis-a-vis
Armenian demands dictates that more people have to die in pursuit of
justice. ... It is not uncommon to find those within the Armenian
diaspora who actually applaud these violent actions. "


David Davidian <***@urartu.SDPA.org> | The life of a people is a sea,
and
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | those that look at it from the
shore
P.O. Box 2761, Cambridge, MA 02238 | cannot know its depths.
->> Boston'dan Van'i istiyoruz <<- | -Armenian
proverb






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ARMENIAN ISSUE
ALLEGATIONS-FACTS

ARMENIAN REBELLIONS AND MASSACRES

Veteran and Eyewitness Accounts

Muhammet Resit Guleser

Father's Name : Abdullah
Mother's Name : Habibe
Place of Birth : Van
Date of Birth: 1900


I was a young student at the (Teachers' training college) school,
around 15 or 16 years old during the Armenian massacres, and remember
what happened quite well. Before the First World War, we had good
neighbourly relations with the Armenians (whose population was said to
be approximately 17,000).

With the declaration of the constitutional monarchy in 1908, they
started to exploit the principles of independence, equality, and
justice to their benefit. Their leader in Van, Aram Pasha, was in the
delegation that notified Sultan Hamit that he would have to leave his
throne. The Armenians set up an underground organization in Van, and
dug tunnels which extended from near the Great Mosque (Büyük Camii)
all the way to the old section of town. It was even possible to go
through these tunnels on horseback. One day some parts of the tunnel
collapsed so was discovered by a guard incidentally. Aram Pasha was
caught near the Great Mosque upon the intelligence of an Armenian but
was released without punishment due to the political sensitivities of
the time.

In short, the Armenians organized themselves very well and became rich
financially in commerce. After the Armenians and Jews were permitted to
join the military, some groups of Armenians, joined the military with
their weapons during the retreat of the Van division. Our soldiers were
carrying German-made primitive weapons which could only fire four shots
and the fifth one would drop to the gound. According to what we had
heard from Mr. Haci Latif and the others who later returned to Van, the
Armenians in the Van division were shooting our soldiers in the back.
There were also several cases of Armenian doctors and nurses poisoning
our wounded soldiers who were treated in the hospitals in Van after
returning from the eastern front.

As to the situation in Van, the Russians were approaching from three
fronts, Muradiye, Özalp, and Baskale. The Armenians in the city were
rebelling and continued an aggressive campaign against the Muslim
population for 29 days. We had three barracks, Haci Bekir, Aziziye, and
Toprakkale. Ten soldiers would guard each one. They attacked to these
barracks and slaughtered the soldiers like sheep by cutting their
throats off. Ali Cavus, our neighbour, was also slained there. While
our weak militia were digging trenches to trying to fight, the
Armenians made holes in the walls and were firing shots with machine
guns, pouring cans of kerosene, lighting fires, and escaping through
the deep tunnels. This brutal attack lasted 29 days. The decision of
retreat was finally made so that the Muslim population would not suffer
any more deaths. Those with carts used them; those without them were
under desperate conditions, but we all joined the exodus. People left
their children on the roads, others died from hunger and disease.

It should be remembered that the Armenians not only committed large
massacres in Van, but in the villages as well. The homes in the
villages of Timar, Bakale, and Özalp were stuffed with hay and set on
fire. Those that tried to escape were killed with bullets and bayonets.
The inhabitants of a few villages in Zeve got organized and fought
against the Armenians, but almost all of them -from seven different
villages- were killed. Mass graves are still being uncovered in these
villages and a memorial was built.

Eight of the twelve ships carried the Muslim refugees from Van, four
ships carried government employees and their families. All the sailors
aboard the vessels were Armenians. The Armenian bandits by the help of
these sailors, forced the four government employee boats to dock at the
Adir Island, and killed all the passengers. As to the remaining other
eight boats they were taken to another island near Tatvan where
Armenian bandits were waiting, but they managed to escape with few
casualties because they were armed.

When we left Van, we first went to Bitlis, and later to Diyarbakir. We
witnessed the Armenian savagery along the way. Finally, I will tell you
about what we saw and heard upon returning to Van. The Armenians
applied all types of torture to the inhabitants, God bless their souls.
They paraded Isa Hodja, who was over 100 years old, on a donkey through
the village, raided and looted homes, and gathered women and girls into
Mr. Ziya's home where they repeatedly raped them. They threw the bodies
of the dead into wells, and even filled the well of our mosque with the
bodies of victims.

When General Cevdet entered Van for the first time, he asked the
gendarmes to escort 130 women, whose husbands were at the front, to
Diyarbakir. They were in bad situation in Van because they did not have
any transportation. About 30 of them stayed in our house. They spun
wool to survive. They were also given military rations. They told us
that there was no end to the torture and cruelties they suffered at the
hands of the Armenian bandits. The Armenians skinned the men, castrated
them, and raped the women.

We returned to Van four years later. In the beginning we stayed two
years, but were forced to flee again when the Russians arrived. This
time we went as far as we could go. Finally we arrived to Siirt. When
we returned, 200-250 Armenian families were seeking refuge on the
Carpanak Island. They were hoping that the Turks would leave, and that
they would resettle in Van. Most of them were artisans. A short time
later, a new decree was issued, and they were sent to Revan under the
protection of the government. However, Van was raided seven times by
the enemy, was completely destroyed except for the Armenian quarters.
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Seyh Cemal Talay

Father's Name: Cimsid
Mother's Name : Fatma
Place of Birth : Van
Date of Birth: 1901

The Russians were providing weapons for the Armenian bandits. With
military assistance of Russia and encouragement of England, France and
the United States -all had consulates in Van- Armenians increased their
hostilities in the beginning of 1915. The Russians were secretly
providing them weapons hidden in food supplies, which they sent to
Russia through the port of Trabzon. Those supplies were transported by
caravans to Van. The goods on the caravans were distributed in the
centre of the old city, and the hidden ammunition was secretly
distributed to the Armenian militants. The leader of the Armenian
revolt in Van was Aram Pasha. But I don't remember the name of the
Dashnaks' leader. They all had land claims, especially in Van. The 11th
squadron was assigned to Van, but went to Erzurum to be mobilised. The
Armenian bandits increased their activities and started their terrorist
campaigns against the Muslim inhabitants.

The militants were raiding the Muslim villages and neighbourhoods. The
only thing we had to fight them with was a militia led by Imam Osman,
composed of those either too old or too young to join the army.

Let me tell you a story which I will never forget. I went to a school
located near the government mansion. Armenian children also studied at
the same school. Some of the students in the Armenian underground went
to get a Muslim student named Rustu from his home with an excuse of
studying. They took him to the Isitma bridge near the industrial park.
After insulting him, they raped and killed him, leaving his body for
his family to find the next day. The family later composed a ballad to
honour his memory.

I can remember the beginning of the skirmishes between the Muslims and
Armenians. Our militia, which would meet in the Mahmut Aga barracks
across the street from the Van State Hospital, was on duty, a day
before the war with the Armenians started. The Armenians prepared the
night before and positioned themselves. They dug holes in the State
Mansion, and when our militia was preparing for morning prayer at a
fountain nearby, the Armenians showered them with bullets. Many of our
soldiers were killed. The fighting between local Muslims and Armenians
began. There was a big confusion in the streets from both sides.
Despite this, we got up and went to school. We had two teachers, one
from Salonica, one from Edirne. They said "Come on kids, let's all
forgive each other, we might not see each other again" and suggested we
use the side streets to avoid Armenian bullets. I left school with some
friends, but decided to take our regular route. We saw that weapons and
ammunition were being distributed in front of a storage area for
protection against the Armenians. We then noticed a few Armenians
creeping up from behind, and notified the man distributing the weapons.
He threw them down in his hand and fired on them, and they ran away.

The war started on April 2 and 3 in 1915. In 1914, the Russians were
not able to penetrate the front line, but they surrounded our soldiers
from behind by passing Caldiran-Bahcesaray, and established
headquarters in the Molla Hasan village.
It was difficult to provide our soldiers with military supplies since
the young students and elderly people carrying the equipment could not
go further because of the cold weather. Many of them died.

We couldn't go anywhere. But in the spring the Armenians went
completely crazy. On May 10, 1915, the Russians were moving towards
Van. With Governor Cevdet's orders we evacuated Van, taking with us
what we could carry. During the war, Armenian brutality reached a stage
that no one, including the old, sick, captive, women or children could
escape. The atrocities reached the degree that even the Armenians' main
supporters, the Russians, were trying to prohibit their actions.

My grandmother Mihri couldn't flee with us because one of my uncles was
paralysed from the waist down. Unable to speak because of the shock of
what happened in our absence, she later learned to speak by sign in
order to explain what happened. They shaved my uncle's moustache along
with his flesh, and then took them to a house which they used as a
detention centre and tortured him and the other captives until the
Russians arrived.

When we became refugees there were 23 members of our family. We lost
most of our family on the road to Bitlis and Urfa. Only two of us
returned to Van. Our first stop on the road was Bitlis where we arrived
in eleven days, and then went to Siirt, where we had relatives with
whom we stayed for a few months. When we heard about the Russian
advance, we again fled to Diyarbakir. Our convoy consisted of 250
people. We suffered from hunger and thirst on the way. We went through
Kurtalan and Diyarbakir and the village of Kebir, where we did not stay
long, and again took the road to return to Van. When we reached
Kurtalan, we learned that the Russians had entered Van again and went
to Siirt. In the spring of 1916, we went to Baghdad, but fled to Mardin
when the English Army advanced. In 1917, we arrived to Urfa. The French
who entered Urfa started tormenting the Muslims by bringing the
Armenian of Aleppo to the city. This time we fought for twenty-two
days.

We left Van in 1915. When we were finally able to return, only two
people remained from the 23-membered family. Van was totally destroyed.
The Armenians burned and demolished everything except for the Armenian
houses. In fact, when the Turkish army entered Van, around 2.000
Armenian artisans, expecting retaliation for their repression of the
Turkish population, sought refuge on the island of Adir. The Turkish
government instead ensured their safe passage to Revan.


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Salih Tasci

Father's Name: Mirza
Mother's Name: Hane
Place of Birth: Van
Date of Birth: 1883

The Armenians who revolted by the Russian assistance began to fight
against the Muslims though they had lived together for many years.
Their intention was to steal our lands and to establish an Armenian
state. They had dugouts underground and they were easily hiding in them
after they killed the Turks.

They tortured people especially in central Van and in the castle. Their
leader was a man called Aram Pasha. We were defeated by them as they
had rich ammunitions. Then we decided to migrate to safer places as we
did not want to suffer more casualties.

Some people went to Bitlis by way of land and some went by sea. The
ones who stayed were all killed. The refugees of Van were spread
everywhere in country. From Bitlis to Diyarbakir, Elazig, Nazilli,
Burdur... However, the Armenians undertook massacres in the villages of
Van.

In those villages the Armenians and the Russians closed the roads. They
killed all the men and raped all the women there. Later, Armenian
bandits gathered in Van and carried massacres out there too. In short,
it was like the doomsday. In Lake Van there were sailing boats. They
really tortured so much that they got bored from killing people. They
put the people into the boats and threw them in to the lake.

Those Armenians nailed our elders to the walls from their hands and
foreheads. We resisted them as much as we could do and fought. We did
everything necessary. But, we never touched any Armenian child or
women; we just fought against men. Armenians were so cruel. After I
returned from the Iranian Front in 1921, I found Van in a ruin. All the
Turkish districts were burnt by the Armenians and the Russians; all the
Muslim properties were plundered. But, the Armenian houses were still
standing out. Van was empty. Later, the Muslims returned one by one.
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Bekir Yoruk

Father's Name : Yusuf
Mother's Name : Gülnaz
Place of Birth : Van
Date of Birth: 1900

Q: Can you tell us what you can remember and what the Armenians did in
Van and Gevas?

A: We lived in the same neighbourhoods with the Armenians. We were
living in Norsin neighbourhood and got along well until the Russians
intervention. In those days, the Armenian youth established committees
by Russian encouragement, and started causing trouble. They killed the
police superintendent and threw him in the park. They killed the
postman in Hasbagi. They bombed a building, which is a bath now, and
twenty people died in the explosion. When the constitutional monarchy
was declared, the mufti and the priest shook hands and declared the
brotherhood of Muslims and Christians. The Mufti cried as he shook
hands, but events developed against us. The committee members became
increasingly out of control and the rebellion began. We fought the
Armenians for 29 days in Hasbagi. We had no weapons. When the division
went to Erzurum we remained completely defenceless.

The Armenians who joined the army after the establishment of the
constitutional monarchy used our weapons to shoot at us, and those who
remained in the army shot our soldiers from behind. They also bombed
the barracks. The young people and the elderly left in the Muslim
neighbourhoods took turns guarding against the Armenians. Meanwhile,
the Russians sent gold to Armenians to finance their effort.

This struggle lasted 29 days until the arrival of the Russians. The
elderly Armenians didn't approve this fight because they were the
wealthiest inhabitants of the area, and feared losing their standard of
living. Armenians owned up to 1,000 stores and sold European cloth in
the old part of the city of Van. When these events broke out,
inhabitants of nearby villages and towns all fled to Van, and those
stores disappeared within two days.

Later on, fifty vessels full of people left Van, carried wounded
soldiers. Cevdet Pasha saw the passengers off at the pier. We went to
Adir Island, where the Armenians were training underground. We stayed
on the island for nine days. The waves destroyed some of the ships with
wooden sails. The island had wells and two bakeries. No one brought any
supplies from Van. We were hungry and perplexed. My elder brother was
an officer and came back wounded from Erzurum. My brother realised that
the Armenians would cut us off. He convinced his captain, and ten ships
left the place but we couldn't go very far. Thank God that we stayed
close to the shore. The next day, we reached Tatvan under difficult
circumstances. The day we left Van the Armenians set everything ablaze.
There were wounded soldiers from all parts of Turkey in Van, and the
Armenians set the apartment buildings on fire used as a hospital where
they were teken care of. That is why Van is a sacred place with martyrs
from 67 provinces (in Turkey).

My uncle, Terren Aga, was very old, and we couldn't take him with us
when we left Van. His wife, daughter, and two grandchildren remained
with him. Armenian hoodlums beat my uncle and the children with an ax
and killed them. His daughter was hiding in an abandoned American
school. When the Armenians found her, they killed her by throwing her
from the second floor.
We went to Bitlis from Tatvan where we stayed for nearly two months.
When the Russians arrived, we set off on the roads again. We then went
to Hizan and Diyarbakir. After we left, the Gendarme commander who was
crying like a baby- brought my uncle (who was Deputy Governor Omer Bey)
a report. A soldier named Mansur was also present in the room. When we
asked him to explain what happened, he said that three days after Van
was evacuated they went to pick up the bodies. Hundreds of elderly
women were impaled on stakes. They still had their scarves on and
looked as if they were sitting. When they got closer they saw that they
were killed before being impaled. They saw a woman who was split into
two parts and her unborn child was placed on her chest.

Muslims who witnessed these thousand of examples of inconceivable
brutality tearfully reported the incidents to Omer Bey, who then told
Mustafa Kemal. When the Russians finally arrived, they were displeased
with the savageness which resulted in the destruction of four-fifths of
Van. In addition to those massacred by the Armenians, many people also
died as they were fleeing. Many collapsed on the road from hunger and
disease. No one was able to take anything with them when they left Van.

When we returned to Van from exile three years later, we found the
Muslim neighbourhoods destructed, but the areas owned by Armenians,
were left undamaged. When we returned there were about 2,000 Armenians
living in Van who fled to the islands when the Turks started returning.
Two years later, the government sent them to Revan.

Q: Did you ever participate in the fighting or use a weapon?

A: No. I have never used a weapon. I didn't have a gum, plus they
didn't give me one because I was too young and didn't know how to use
it. Instead. I would bring food and water to the combatants.

Q: What kind of equipment were the Armenians using?

A: They had the latest equipment which was provided by Russia and
England. They gave them weapons and had them fight against us. The
Armenians couldn't do anything to us, but when the were armed, the
balance was upset.

Q: Did many people die in these and other clashes?

A: Of course, thousands of people died. After fighting for 29 days, the
then Governor Cevdet Pasha commanded us to leave Van when he heard that
the Russian forces were approaching. Cevdet Pasha was actually a very
courageous man, but we had neither guns nor ammunition. while the
Russians were armed with top of the line weapons.

Q: Didn't the Ottoman State take any precautions against the Armenians
arming themselves to this extent? Didn't a word get around?

A: People knew, and the government knew. Yet the military was on the
fighting front, and only a few gendarmes were left in Van. They
couldn't do anything about it.. The Armenians first shot Police
Lieutenant Nuri Efendi, and blew up the Hamitaga barracks. Many
soldiers were killed. Then they placed bombs in the Norsin Mosque and
Haci Naci Hodja Mosque. They blew up Hafiz Hodja with his son using
granedes. Our women were raped, and our children shot.


Q: How was the evacuation carried out?

A: We left this place on 50 ships. That day the weather was stormy and
rainy, as if hell broke loose. The ships ran into each other. They were
unable to approach the pier for a long time. The weather was not warm
enough-I think it was April. We left before the Russians arrived. There
were about 250 people in our group, and 60 died. Some died at the hands
of the Armenians bandits, other from cholera, diseases, and hunger.

My uncle, his family and children, were all cut into pieces with a
hatchet under a mulberry tree in our neighbourhood. They (Armenians)
massacred all those who stayed behind when we left. We lived in Norsin
neighbourhood at the time. They burned Van entirely. All was planned by
the Armenian committees that treacherously manipulated the Armenian
population.

Q: Do, you remember the names of those committees?

A: Dashnak was the most prominent one. There were others as well, but I
don't remember their names now. They received money and gold from
Russia and Britain.

Q: Did the Armenians kill a lot of women and children?

A: The elderly didn't bother much, but all the young people were armed.
They killed whoever they could catch. They killed them and threw them
into the lake or onto the fire. For example, a woman was baking bread
in a nearby village, and had her young child was at her side. The
Armenians went into her backyard and asked her what she was doing. When
she answered that she was baking bread, they insisted she needed a
kebab as well, and pierced her child and threw him into the fire and
burned him alive.

What else can I tell you? God knows the extent of what went on. During
our escape, we took off on the ships, and stayed around the islands for
four days. We couldn't sleep at nights because of the wails and screams
we heard all night. These were the cries we heard from the surrounding
villages: Zeve, Bardakci, Kalac, and Molla Kasim. I hope God ensures
that we don't have to get back to those days again, ever.

Q: Where did you go after the islands?

A: From the islands we went to the Dervis village. It took us all day
to get there. Ten ships were tied together at the edge of the lake. We
were very frightened. In the morning we left toward Tatvan, and finally
reached our destination. We were able to rest there, and later left
toward Biths.

Q: Do you remember how many people were with you in your convoy?

A: There were between 10 and 20 thousand people in our convoy.

Q: Did many people from your convoy die in the exodus?

A: Of course.

Q: Could you tell us how they died?

A: The women could not take care of their children. Some would leave
them in far areas. Hunger and disease were at its peak. For example,
Omer Efendi wrapped his child in rags and left him alive under a tree
as we approached the Bitlis creek. There were many other children like
this thrown into the Bitlis creek or buried, then they died. But, Omer
Efendi regretted what he did, and a few days later went to save the
child and brought him back alive.

Q: How long were you a refugee?

A: Three years.

Q: What did you find when you returned to Van? How was Van, was there
much damage?

A: I saw Van; it was completely destroyed and burned. When we were in
Bitlis, the Deputy Governor Ömer Bey was there. He would regularly
receive reports on the situation in Van. We would learn about the
situation of the Russians there. One day a soldier, Mansur, came to
Bitlis. He was from Aleppo and used to live near the Norsin Mosque. He
was in tears as he told us the story of how they entered Van, and saw
that the women were lined up in a row with their head scarves still on.
As they approached, they saw that they were impaled and killed. They
removed them and buried them. The soldiers left all their work and
buried them. Later, they went to another location where the women had
been raped and then killed. There was blood everywhere.

A similar incident occurred in the Amik village which is close here.
The inhabitants took refuge in the castle and pulled up the ladder when
the Armenians arrived. The Armenians approached and convinced them to
let down the ladder because they were now friendly and there was no
reason to be afraid of. As soon as they ascended the stairs, they
separated the children and men and threw them down the hill. Some of
the women threw themselves from the castle, while the others were taken
to an unknown location.

Q: Did you hear about similar incidents at the time?

A: Of course I did, but what else can I tell you? Dignity, chastity,
and integrity all was gone. We suffered so much, some people even ate
flesh like cannibals. But we were so merciful that, when we found
Armenians hiding on the island, we didn't do anything to them.

Q: Were they the Armenians who stayed when you fled?

A: No, they were Armenians remaining on the island. During the exodus
they brought, many Turks to this island and killed them. The ship
captains were Armenians. Many of our, people were maliciously killed in
this way on the ships. As I told you earlier, we couldn't sleep because
of the wads in those days. When we left, Van was burning, and it was
still burning when the soldier Mansur came.

Q: Will you tell us about your situation in Bitlis?

A: When we arrived in Bitlis as refugees, they were angry with us
because we abandoned Van. Initially the people of Bitlis were not very
kind to us, asking us why we ran away and did not fight against the
enemy. We answered that we had no other choice because we did not have
guns or ammunition. Not long after, the population of Bitlis had to
flee as well, and they understood our position. The heat was extreme.
There was no food or water. Cholera and diseases were spreading out.
Many people died. One day we saw some vehicles coming from Elazig. The
army corps came with Armenian drivers to bring salt to Harput.

Q: Were the drivers Armenian?

A: Yes. Armenian soldiers who were carrying salt. There was a captain
leading them and my brother approached him and asked him to stay and
send a telegraph to arrange for a truck to carry us. We obtained
permission from Mustafa Kemal Pasha and they started to transport us to
Divarbakir. There was neither food nor water on the way. Many people
died from diseases. At that time, there was a landowner named Mehmet.
He later died, but he was a unique person. He gave food to the army and
fed their horses as well. He also handed the keys of his stables over
to the army. A year later Mustafa Kemal Pasha came, talked to him, and
asked how much the government owed him. When he said "for what?",
Mustafa Kemal explained that the army had depended on him for a year.
He answered that "they are welcomed for the remaining food, as well".
Anyway, when he saw us, he gave the order to set up a feast table right
away. Wheat, rice, lentil, and meat were prepared. Everyone ate.

Let me tell you another story. I saw many of the men who had been
tortured by the Armenians with my own eyes. In some places they had no
meat on their bones. From hunger they ate human flesh. There was a
milkman called Faik whose father was carrying a child when we saw him.
When I asked him what he was doing, he said if he didn't carry the
child away, they would eat him too.

I hope God doesn't make us live through those days again. Hunger and
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Ibrahim Sargin

Father's Name : Halil
Place of Birth: Van-Zeve
Date of Birth: 1903

I am from the well-known Zeve village, site of the most rampant
Armenian massacres.

Q: How old were you when the Armenians rebelled?

A: I had just turned 11 at the time.

Q: Were your parents alive at the time?

A: Yes, they were.

Q: Were they subjected to Armenian atrocities?

A: I will tell you all about that later. I first want to try to explain
the situation of the Armenians. We know how untrustworthy the Armenians
and Russians were, and about their efforts to stab the Ottoman State
from behind by forming bands of rebels. At that time, Russians were
paying Armenians wages. However, the Armenians were paying the Ottoman
State only one gold coin in taxes while those unable to pay that much,
were paying five silver coins. There were certain changes during the
rule of Sultan Hamid and Sultan Resad. They extended equal rights to
the Armenians, declaring that they would be equal to Muslims, like
brothers. They passed a law abolishing the tax imposed on them, and
made them equal to us. There was jubilation in the streets. Armenian
priests and our religious leaders hugged each other and kissed. At this
time, it was also decided that Armenians would serve in the army with
us and study in our schools. The Armenians were thrilled with these
changes. As soon as they had the opportunity, they established
committees and asked for money from France and England and arms from
Russia. They figured they could co-operate with the Russians, receive
military supplies from them, and attack the Ottomans while the Russians
could advance from the outside.

What did the Russians do? They constructed storage bins out of the
stove pipes and stove metal. These bins were three feet long and one
and a half feet wide, and filled with arms and munitions. Some of our
supplies including kerosene came from Russia at the time. The Russians
delivered these military supplies to the Armenians by hiding them in
the bins and covering them with kerosene containers. Having armed the
Armenians in this way, the Russians sent a member of the secret
revolutionary society from Russia. His name was Aram, and he was blind
in one eye. A Russian Armenian, they named him Aram Pasha. Then they
brought someone named Antranik to Mus, and called him Antranik Pasha.
Plus, there was an Armenian revolutionary committee leader nicknamed
Sahin (Falcon) in the Karagunduz village of the Ercek region. They
would set up committee organisations and head for the Turkish borders.
They crossed into the Turkish villages where they would attack and kill
Turks, and then retreat. They carried weapons and bandits to Karagunduz
on horseback.

Q: Do you remember the revolutionary committees in the region and the
names of their leaders?


I named some of them a little earlier. I don't remember any other
names. They armed themselves with the help of the Russians, and came on
horses. They created storage areas in the Sisanus village, and moved to
a lake village which was completely inhabited by Armenians who had
moved into the village earlier. On the lake there were enormous ships
which could carry 500-600 people. These ships would carry arms and
ammunition to Adilcevaz, Ahlat, Ercis, and Gevas. Some would later be
sent to Tatvan, Mus and Bitlis. The Armenians armed themselves well
with these supplies, and started to form guerrilla groups. More
specifically, they organised fighters and hid them on the Islands of
Akdamar, Carpanak, and Kadin Tbese fighters later scattered throughout
the area, insulting and provoking the public. After a while, they
decided to get along with the Russians. After the Russians declared war
to the Ottoman Empire, all of our soldiers left the area. Some went to
the Caucasian front line, while others went to the Iranian front line.
The Armenian soldiers accompanied our soldiers. After the two sides
started fighting, our soldiers noticed that they were being shot from
behind. The doctors could not understand why soldiers who should be hit
from the front were hit from behind. Then they realised that Armenian
soldiers would kill ours whenever the opportunity arose. We lost
perhaps thousands of our soldiers in this way, but it was too late when
it was discovered. Some of the traitors were found, while some joined
the Russian fighters. This war lasted two and a half years. Our
soldiers were in terrible shape, and were forced to retreat. The
Russian military started to advance. When they arrived at the Caldiran
plains, they came across the Hamidiye regiment which was formed during
the reign of Sultan Hamit and was composed of tribes. The Russians used
the Hamidiye organisation for their own means, telling them to provide
soldiers to defend the area, while they would provide munitions and
arms.

A soldier who heard that the Russians arrived in Caldiran ran to his
village (Derebey) and told the village headman that it was futile to
work in the fields since the Russians had already arrived in Caldiran,
which meant they would be in the village either that day or the next.
He told the villagers they would all be killed if they didn't flee.
Hearing this, the villagers gathered together, took some food and
whatever they could carry, and left toward Van. They first reached the
Zorava village, which is Circassian. When the inhabitants asked them
what was going on, they told them that they were headed to Van because
the Russians had entered Caldrran and were advancing toward Muradiye.

Hearing this, the villagers in Zorava joined the refugees. Later there
were eight villages which joined this caravan to Van; Hakis, Zorava,
Derebey, Sih Omer, Sihkara, Sihayne, Hidir and Göllü. They had no
idea that Van was emptied and that its inhabitants had migrated. When
they arrived at the Everek plains, they saw some Armenians who asked
them in Armenian: "Where are you mindless people going?" to which they
answered, "We're going to Van. We will go wherever the inhabitants of
Van go." To this the Armenians showered them with insults and added
"Turks left Van over six or seven days ago, and are refugees. The
administration of Cevdet Pasha was over long time ago. Aram Pasha's
Administration was formed. All of the wounded, hospitalised, women and
children in Van were killed. Mosques were torched, barracks burned. We
cut up all of the Muslims in Van. There were only 20-30 women
remaining, and we gave them to Aram Pasha." To this, Circissian Ibo
said that they would become prisoners, and proposed that they go to
Zeve, which was very close to the lake. He suggested they could find a
ship there and save the women and children.

By the time this group of refugees reached our village (Zeve), we saw
that there were over 2,000 of them. When we asked them what happened,
they responded, "We were fleeing to Van, but Armenians stopped us and
told as that the inhabitants of Van had already migrated, so we came
here to acquire a ship in the hope of saving our women and children."

It was spring and it was not easy to settle the refugees in our small
village, but we did our best. We settled them in homes, tents, and
barns. There were more than 2,000 of them, and they stayed with our
villagers who numbered about 500. In addition, soldiers disbanded from
the army came home to our village. You should have seen them. They had
long beards, their uniforms were torn, they were full of lice. We
settled them, too. One was my brother Necip, my cousin Mustafa, my
brother-in-law Mehmet, my cousin Ilyas, Recep, son of Saban, Mustafa's
son Seyyat, and Emrah's son Sukru. They were emaciated -just skin and
bones. They took of their clothes and burned them and pulled of the
lice. My uncle Yusuf was a good barber. After scrubbing their heads
with hot water, he shaved them with a razor. Believe me, because of the
lice, blood was dripping from their faces and eyes. They were somewhat
more comfortable after that.

Two days had passed. On the third day, the village Hodja began his
morning call to prayer. Those who wanted to pray and the others went to
work, There was a river in the middle of our village. If flows all the
way from the Iranian border, and becomes a lake in the spring when the
snow melts. But we were never sure exactly where this water came from.
One day we heard a woman's voice from the other side of the river
calling for someone to carry her to our side. On hearing this, my uncle
grabbed his purse, followed the sounds, and was suprised to see, Esma,
the daughter of Ahmet, who married someone in the Molla Kasim village.

She promised to tell her story after my uncle helped her cross the
river. He helped her onto the saddle and brought her to this side of
the river. At this time the villagers had already finished their
morning prayer and gathered around them. She told them to defend
themselves that Hamit, Molla Kasim, and Ayanos had been killed, and
that the perpetrators would be in our village any day now. The Hodja
addressed the crowd with "Friends, we are Muslims. It doesn't fit our
religion for us to die needlessly. We have about 60 weapons, 2 chests
full of ammunition, and eight or nine soldiers with guns and bullets.
Let's defend our village. My father's cousin, Hodya Osman who served
with Cevdet Pasha had sent 60 guns and the ammunition."

There were hills near our village, below the bridge. There were plains
on the top, and grasslands below. The villagers took their positions on
the top part of the hills, and waited for the Armenians to advance.
When the Armenians surrounded the village on three fronts and attacked,
our villagers were prepared. They fought the Armenians until noon. When
our side charged them, the Armenians were startled. Some of them fled
to Mermit village, while other went to Vadar village. Afterwards they
started to re-grouping. There were other Armenian villages such as the
enormous Alay village comprised of 400 homes. They gathered together,
all of the Armenians, and again started a battle which continued until
the end of the mid-afternoon prayer. After the mid-afternoon prayer,
there were up to one hundred horses speeding down Erzurum Street which
originated in Van. The villagers thought that they were Ottoman
soldiers who came to their assistance after hearing gunfire, but soon
saw that they were Russian Armenians who heard the gunfire and came to
the village. The fighting started again, and our villagers started to
run out of bullets. The Armenians saw this as an opportunity and
entered the village by killing the Turks who were guarding it. The
village was burning, and herds of people numbering two or three
thousand started to flee. The Armenians were throwing small children in
the air and piercing them with bayonets or sticking them in the stomach
with bayonets. The children let out shrill cries and foil to the ground
like baby birds. In desperation, some of the women and young girls
threw themselves into the river, while others lit fire to bails of
grass and threw themselves into the bonfire.

They captured Corporal Seyat alive, laid him one the ground, undressed
him, and skinned him alive. They also carved out his shoulders and
carved into his sides, taunting him by saying that Sultan Resat
promoted him and gave him a medal. The Armenians also set fire to the
grass and threw some of our women and children into the fire and burned
them alive. They sliced the throats of the rest of the survivors as if
they were sacrificial lambs. Not one child survived. After massacring
the entire village, they killed the five most attractive women; my
cousin Sober, Esma, the headman's wife, a distant relative Hayriye, my
aunt Aye, and Güllü. Then they left. I'll explain to you how I
survived even though the Armenians vowed to continue the massacres
until we were all dead. My father was very well known, and he had
extended much kindness to the Bardakci village. My father had once
saved the life of Kirbe, and his son Asvador was among the Armenians.
Although at the time my father was in Iran as a reserve officer,
Asvador came to us during the massacre. Asvador told the Armenians not
to touch me, my mother, and one of my sisters and saved our lives.
After the Armenians left, Asvador took us out of hiding. The wounded
were moaning from pain, begging for someone to wrap their wounds or
give them some water.

Asvador brought us to the Bardaci village where we stayed for some
time. My cousin Sema in Bardakci would swear to us that in the evening
the Armenians would come and pick out ten or eleven women out of the
150, and rape them until the morning. The women were covered with
blood, and after they dropped them off they were unable to sit.

Meanwhile a Russian government was established in Van and Aram Pasha
became its leader. Aram Pasha's government proclaimed that any refugee
who is in need of food or water is welcome to Van. My father at this
time was in the Hacik village where he and my uncles were on Halil
Pasha's boat. From there they went to a village in the Hosap region.
When my uncles heard the proclamation they went to Van. They were
shocked to see that the city was burned and completely destroyed. The
city used to be at the foothill of the castle. Everything was
completely destroyed: the buildings, barracks, mosques, bathhouses, and
government buildings.

My father was from the Hacbahan neighbourhood where there were Armenian
homes and stores. Coincidentally, Asvador ran into him on the street.
After the customary greeting, my father asked him if he had any news
about our village. Asvador responded that they had slaughtered all of
Zeve, but that his younger wife, child and daughter were safe with him.
He volunteered to hand us over to my father. My father acknowledged the
favour by Asvador, but feared that the Armenians would kill him if he
went to the village, so he suggested that Asvador bring us to him
instead so that he could take us away. When Asvador came to see us that
night, he told us that he ran into my father, and that we should
prepare ourselves so that he could take us to him. In the morning he
loaded us onto an ox cart, took us to Van, and delivered Lis to my
father. We didn't stay long because the Armenians were raiding a
village; many people were fleeing either towards Iran, Mardin or
Diyarbakir to save their lives.

Q: Mr. Ibrahim, can you tell us about what happened in Van. Apparently
the first revolt took place, where the castle was toppled by cannon
fire, the city was completely destroyed, and an Armenian government was
set up. Since you were in Zeve you may have seen the troubles in Van.
Do you have any knowledge of the incidents in Van?
A: They used cannon fire to burn the castle. At that time we were in
the village of Bardakci, and could see the fire in Van from there.
Mosques, buildings and barracks were burned. After capturing the
castle, they aimed some of the cannon fire downhill. The mosque near
the castle also was burned and destroyed, as well as the Hamitaga
barracks. They butchered almost all of the Muslims there -only a few
women survived. After the Russian government was established, these
women complained Armenians to the Russian authorities, and asked for
protection because they trusted the Russians more. The Russians had the
women guarded and did not violate their virtue, but the Armenians raped
our women and massacred the children and the elderly.

Q: Mr. Ibrahim, is it possible that one of the reasons that the Russian
soldiers did not touch your women was the possible presence of Turks in
the Russian army?

A: Yes. There were Crimean and Caucasian soldiers and officers. They
protected our women because they too were Muslims. In fact, they even
sent them back to their villages including the Molla Kasim village.
During the massacres they could only send 30 of the 150 women. They
planned to stay in the Molla Kasim village until the Ottoman military
arrived. However, they were subject to even further hardships. When the
Russians retreated, the Armenians stayed behind. The Armenians
suggested that the Russians leave their weapons, ammunition, cannons,
and supplies, so they could fight the Ottoman government. When the
Russians left all of their equipment to them, the Armenians became even
more ruthless and continued the massacres. When our army starting
arriving from Bitlis to Gevas and clashing with these Armenians, the
Armenians headed to Van toward Muradiye and Kars. They ultimately went
to Russia and Iran. Only a handful of Armenians remained behind. They
stayed on small islands in Lake Van such as Carpanak.

Q: Were there any Armenians in yourk Zeve village?

A: No, none.

Q: Where were you at the time that the Armenians established an
Armenian government with the Russians?

A: We were in Zeve at the time.

Q: How many people from Zeve survived?

A: Including to myself, six women were saved from Zeve, and that was
only because of a good deed my father had done earlier. Everyone else
was murdered, including many women and children.

Q: They say that a mosque near the Van castle was burned. Was this
mosque in Van or Zeve?

A: It was in Van, but mosques in Zeve were burned down as well. In Van
they burned other mosques such as the Kayacelebi, Ulu, and Hüsrev
Pasha, as well as many smaller mosques. You can still see all of their
traces.

Q: Were there any people inside the mosques in Van when they were
burned down?

A: Without a doubt.

Q: How about in Zeve?

A: Many had gone into the mosque for protection. Among them were uncle
Hamza, Dervis, and Derebeyli. I don't remember the names of the others
except for a great personality in Zeve whose name you may have heard;
Sultan Haci Hamza. He built the first dervish lodge in the area.

Q: Isn't it true that during the massacres the Turks sought refuge in
the lodge thinking that they would not be killed?

A: They sought shelter in the tomb, not the lodge.

Q: They say that the Armenians burned down the tomb, is that right?

A: It is true. They set fire to the tomb too, and threw everyone inside
killed, but three people survived. Unfortunately, mosques, tombs made
no difference to them. They burned them down with everyone inside. I
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Ayse Sevimli

Father's Name : Dervis
Mother's Name : Hayriye
Place of Birth : Van-Zeve
Date of Birth : 1897

When the villagers heard that the Armenians were coming, they took as
many precautions as possible. They dug positions in the hills. The
inhabitants of seven villages filled up our village. There was little
room in the village to manoeuvre around the people and carts. on the
day that we heard the Armenians had almost reached the village, the men
ran to take their positions and began fighting.

We had no ammunition or weapons assistance. When the Armenians entered
our village, some of our men died fighting; others were burned in their
homes. I hid with my mother and some others in a barn further away from
the fighting grounds I got under a large basket. The Armenians killed
everyone they found and also fired at the barns. A bullet hit my
mother's scarf, but she was not hurt. I know of only two other women
who survived.

The Armenians went to Bardakci before they came to our village. My God,
when we went out at night, blood, gunfire, mourning, and wailing filled
the air. I saw them torturing people by cutting "pockets" out of skin
while mockingly telling them they were decorating them with medals.
When we approached the Bardakci village, I saw that on the other side
of the brook, in the field near Mehmet's house they had tied the arms
of five men together and were shooting at them. When they fell to the
ground, they stabbed them with bayonets. My mother handed them all of
her money and valuables so that we would not be hurt. They then brought
us to Van, and tortured the prisoners in unmentionable ways. We stayed
in the military barracks for four months. We later became refugees and
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Haci Zekeriya Koc

Father's Name : Yakup
Mother's Name : Nadide
Place of Birth : Van


When the Armenian incidents broke out we were in our village. Ayanis..
Zeve. Mollakasim and Ayanis were the villages in the region inhabited
entirely by Muslim. There were five or ten Armenian homes in the other
villages. Before these problems broke at, we had excellent relations
with the Armenians. We got along particularly well with
Armenian-inhabited Alaköy. We would invite each other to banquets, and
there were no hostilities between us.

Then when everything started and the residents of Van fled, we decided
to migrate as well. We got together, filled four carts as much as
possible, and got on the road. As we were leaving the village, a man
came from Van, and asked us where we were going. When we told him, he
urged us to stay, saying he, had cannons, guns, and military supplies.
on his encouragement, everyone returned home. Three days passed. On the
fourth day, we were at my grandmother's. I was standing and eating a
piece of buttered bread my grandmother prepared for me. Three villagers
were there helping us out. We heard one gunshot, and the men said "This
noise is from Armenian guns, it buzzes like tin. Our weapons clatter.
Something is going on."

Meanwhile someone came from Mollakasim, stood on tire hilltop of our
village, and yelled Why are you still around? Kurds raided and
plundered Alakoy, and the Armenians are attacking villages." Right
after this my cousing Dursun showed up. An elderly woman asked him why
he came. He had a bullet on his thumb and said, "They destroyed the
village and I ran away. Before the villagers had a chance to organize,
the Armenians surrounded the village. The Armenians captured our
livestock near the cemetery and took them to Alaköy. The Armenians
went into the villages and separated the men and stuffed them into a
room. Their leader was Hamados Pasha, who had paid Iranian Kurds to
fight with him. He told his fighters to separate all males over the age
of seven, and add them to the men to he burned.

They spoke Turkish almost as well as we did. At that time I was seven
years old. My mother immediately wrapped a scarf around my head, put a
loose dress on me, and pulled me by her side. I survived, but they
picked out four or five people from among us and took them away near
the men. As soon as they added them to the men they poured gasoline on
the crowd and lit a fire. The screams emanating from there reached the
skies. They rounded up the women and took them outside. They would mock
them saying "ladies why don't you sit here and rest. Look how nicely
the dogs are at each other's throats. "The "dogs" they referred to were
someone's son, husband, father or uncle. They were crying "oh my God"
in agonizing pain. They made us sit there for up to an hour. When we
walked by the cemetery, one of the Armenians began singing a ballad
mocking us.

At that moment we saw that the Armenians shot my mother's cousin with
her child still nursing on her breast, then an Armenian came and killed
the child with a bayonet. They killed a lot of people in that area.
Those that could run away escaped, those that couldn't had gas poured
over them and were burned. We were forced to sit there for quite a
while.

Hamza, Haci Ummet's uncle lived in our village. He always carried a
dagger. The Armenians were going to carry him away and kill him, but he
ran toward them. He was either going to kill them or be killed.
Unfortunately he was not able to overcome them. Before they killed him
they carved out "pockets" in his thighs and placed his hands inside.
Excuse my language, but they cut his organ and placed it in his mounth,
and cut his nose and placed it in his behind.

They then took us to a hilltop in Alakoy before taking us into the
village. There they packed us into a barn. The children in the group
were starving and began to wail from hunger. The Armenians cut off the
hands, feet and other organs of the dead men, cooked and brought them
as food. The children could not differentiate, but the women said that
it was preferable to starve, and explained the truth to the children.
When nightfall came, they flooded the barn with water. The women had
placed the children on their shoulders and were shouting. After some
time they emptied the water out of the barn by opening a trench. The
next day the women were escorted out, and dried their clothes on rocks
outside the village. The women of Molakasim lived a little further down
our place. The Armenians had killed the men in the village there and
imprisoned the women.

In other words they were raiding Muslim villages, killing the men, and
imprisoning the women in Alakoy then led us onto the road towards Van.
When we arrived at the Mermit stream, some of the women threw
themselves into the water to kill themselves rather than die in the
hands of their captors. The infidels shot them from behind and killed
some of them. They broke the arms and mashed the heads of some that
wanted to jump into the water. I was with my mother, aunt, and
grandmother. My mother was still nursing my sister. When my mother
wanted to throw herself into the water and kill herself, my grandmother
held onto her and would not let her go. The Armenians put blockades by
the stream to prevent people from jumping. The next thing we knew, an
Armenian came to us and asked my grandmother who we were, and from
which village we came from. My grandmother was rude at first, but told
him when he insisted. When she responded that we were from the village
of Ayanis, and that my grandfather's name was Muhittin, her sons Yakup
and Niyazi. He grabbed the sides of her skirt and said he would never
want or permit harm to come to us. We were stunned. He then told us a
story that when they were coming from Bahcesaray to Van in eight
wagons, my father prevented some men who wanted to kill the Armenians
from doing so, instead, he escorted them all the way to Van then went
back to the village.

That man gave us some bread, old cheese, and yogurt. In the morning
they took us from there and brought us to Bardakci. At night we slept
in the plains of the village with armed guards at our sides. What harm
could women do anyway? There were about 700-800 of us. Then in the
morning they woke us up, and took us to the foot of the castle in Van.
There the governor of Van, Cevdet Pasha, had a three-storey detention
center. They brought a lot of people there before us. One of the women
who was there gave birth to a baby. The Armenians threw the child off
the roof of the building; and the child was lost. We stayed there for
five days. In the afternoon they let us go out in the fields, and
people gathered whatever they could find to eat.

After five days, they brought two more groups of people. In the
afternoon they moved us to Haci Bekir's detention center near the old
Governor's home. They also brought the inhabitants of the Muslim
village Pürüt there. Before they passed out bread, they added sulphir
and other things to it. Up to 70 people a day died as a result. The
Armenians dug ditches along the wall across from the barracks and
brought in the dead on stretchers and threw them there. Here too, we
ran across one of the Armenians which my father had saved. That
Armenian fed us for a few days. People were attacking upon the food.

A week went by, and they told us the Russians arrived. One day a major,
a captain, and two soldiers came into the barracks and counted and
recorded the prisoners. The next day we were fed with rice and meat,
and taken outside where there were Russian guards. The Russians asked
about our villages, and told us they would take us there. When we all
wanted to go to Mollakasim, they accepted. In the morning they loaded
us onto 70-80 wagons and took us to Mollakasim. After our arrival, we
stuck together out of fear of the Armenians. We chose a leader from
among us and lived that way until the Turkish army came to Van. After
some time, we rehabilitated the villages which the Armenians had burned
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Hikmet Saylik

Father's Name: Ziver
Mother's Name: Söhret
Place of Birth: Van Gülsünler
Date of Birth: 1901

I am from the village of Gulsunler, which used to be called Sihkara. We
left the village when the Armenians raided the villages and started
massacring the Muslim population. We were going toward Van, but the
Armenians stopped us before we arrived. We had no choice but to return.
About 300 people from the village gathered in Zeve, while an equal
number returned to the village. We fled toward Hosap as a group.
Turkish soldiers were in Hosap, and they told us to leave as soon as
possible and get out of the line of fire.

In spite of the difficulties we faced, we went as far as Siirt. Many of
the refugees suffered and died due to widespread hunger and disease.
From there, we arrived in Diyarbakir, Mardin, and finally in Adana. We
then went to Konya, because the French had occupied Adana. The
government then sent us to Mersin, but when the Turkish military took
back Van, we returned. But Van and its villages were completely ruined,
burned, and destroyed. There, hundred people were martyred in our
village. They gathered the people in houses and burned them alive. The
inhabitants of Van fled, and those that remained were cut up by the
Armenians. When we returned, not all of the Armenians had left. Some of
the villages, such as Alaköy remained as they were, and the Muslims
did not hurt anyone there. The government later sent the Armenians to
Russia.

Many members of my family were martyred in this village including my
mother, father, brother Mustafa and other relatives. Around 30-40
families fled with us, but only ten families returned. Those that
stayed and those that went to Zeve were all massacred. I found the
skeletons of nearly 200 Muslims killed by Armenians. I buried them
here, but could not afford to provide headstones to be put in the
graveyard. This includes the graves of my mother and father, as the
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Mehmet Saar

Father's Name: Tevfik
Mother's Name: Rukiye
Place of Birth: Van-Göllü
Date of Birth: 1901

I am from the Gollu village. The Armenians revolted when the army in
Van retreated towards Erzurum. The Armenians killed all our parents. My
father was a gendarme sergeant and he was among those who were killed.
The villagers in Mollakasim, Amik, Sihayne, Gollu, Hidir, Kurtsatan,
and Koprukoy were also murdered. Some of our villagers were hidden in
Zeve and were later killed, but we were able to escape.

Armenians tortured and practiced all types of cruelties on the people
they kidnapped. They cut up pregnant women and removed the unborn
children with their bayonets. They raided and burned all of the Muslim
villages, murdering men, women, children and the old. The Muslim
population, which fled from the villages, I mentioned, tried to escape
by crossing the bridge on the Ablengez River. The Armenians demolished
the bridge, and threw the bodies of their prisoners into the river. In
the spring when the snow melted, the bodies were carried away into the
lake. During the day time, my mother, my two sisters, and I stayed in
the hills. We knew that if the Armenians found us they would kill us.
My mother died before we reached Diyarbakir. I later lost my two
sisters, and was left all alone. I stayed in Diyarbakir for three
years, and returned to my village the fourth year. Van and the Muslim
villages were all burned and destroyed, we settled down in an Armenian
village since they remained intact. We later returned to our villages
which we rebuilt with our own hands.

Words cannot express the torture we suffered at the hands of the
Armenians. We lost our homes, families, and possessions. After losing
my mother, father, and two sisters, I also lost my cousin and other
relatives who were trying to escape to Tatvan by ship with thousands of
other people. All of the passengers on the ship were brutally
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Kadriye Duran

Father's Name : Hamid
Mother's Name : Nigar
Place of Birth : Van-Kavunlu
Date of Birth: 1904

I was ten years old when we became refugees. Before we fled, Degirmen
was an Armenian village which included 80 Armenian families and three
Muslim Turkish families. One day the Armenians gathered the three
families, cut them up, and tossed them into a well. They tortured and
killed the young men by cutting "pockets" into their thighs and
crucified them by nailing them to the walls by their foreheads. Roughly
30 young people died this way.

A woman whose father-in-law lived in the Degirmen village came to tell
a cleric in our village what was going on in Degirmen. After this,
conflicts arose with the Armenians living in our village, and a few
Armenians were killed. After what happened in the Degirmen village, a
weapon was distributed to every home in our village as a precaution. My
father was the headman of our village. Since the surrounding villages
were Armenian, the Muslim population feared that our village would be
attacked, and gathered in the mosque. We filled sacks with sand and
used them as barriers.

During this time, two young Armenians were locked into a home because
our villagers could not stand to kill them. But they dug a tunnel under
the house, and fled to Degirmen village carrying news. Then the
inhabitants of three villages, Degirmen, Farih and another Armenian
village raided our village. The fighting lasted for more than an hour.
The Armenians controlled the bridge above the stream, and invaded
Ziyaret as well. The stream overflowed with melted snow, and it was
pure chaos when we tried to cross the stream. When my mother entered
the water, it reached her chest. Naturally, people broke their arms,
legs, or heads, while children were carried away by the water. It was
hell, pure hell. The Armenians were throwing the dead bodies onto heaps
of wheat. The bodies had piled up like hills. My father jumped on his
horse and went to Van from Akkoprü. Since Sihke was an Armenian
village, they didn't give him permission to pass through. My father
explained the situation to the governor of Van, Cevdet Pasha and asked
for his help. One hundred soldiers came to our rescue, and the
Armenians fled. We hid in the village of Dirandaz which was Muslim.
After spending the night there, my father went to Van in the morning
and asked those entering the city if we should return to our village.
They said that we shouldn't, so we were forced to become refugees. My
sisters and I wore men's clothing and hit the road.

We were going towards Edremit when the Armenians raided Van. The city
was burning, and the houses were in flames, which reached to the sky.
We reached Edremit, but they raided that too. We went from there to
Bitlis, from Bitlis to Siirt, to Diyarbakir, and then to Siverek. We
stayed there three years. There were eight people in our family who
became refugees. On the way, my brother Ali was captured. The rest died
on the road. Only my mother and I were able to return to Van. We were
not the only ones affected. The inhabitants of Van, Edremit, and Van's
Muslim villages all became refugees. Those that didn't run were killed
at the hands of the enemy, while most of those that got away died on
the road.

A few years later, my mother and I returned to Van, and could not
believe our eyes! There were ruins everywhere, a few people, but they
were all hungry, thirsty, and miserable. Neighbourhoods and houses were
empty. There was no bread, wheat, or anything. We were compelled to
return to the village of Coravanis. The wheat there was starting to
mature. We cracked the bitter seeds, boiled them, and drank the water.
The Armenians took furniture, goods, animals and everything they have
found. They destroyed our houses as well. A man on a horse who saw us
alone in the village told us that there was a grain storage area near
the pier. My mother and I went to get 60 kilos of flour there, but it
was later stolen. The Armenians had not yet withdrawn completely. There
were bandits everywhere. One time my mother and I went to the Erek
mountain to gather pieces of metal which we wanted to trade for bread
with the soldiers. We ran into six Armenians who were going to kill us,
but when it suddenly started to rain and hail, we ran away and hid in a
cave. We barely saved our lives.

We suffered considerably. Three years later my brother died in
captivity. We were told that the Armenians were going to kill him, but
the Russians objected. They had made him build roads in Armenian
villages by hand. We rebuilt our homes, planted our fields, and started
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Abdülbari Barlas

Father's Name: Mehmet Emin
Mother's Name: Ayse
Place of Birth: Van-Saglamtas
Date of Birth: 1919

As I have heard from my father, the Russians invaded our country, but
there were no phones, no radio so the villagers could not understand
where abouts the enemy come from. My father had a cousin named
Abdulkadir and my father had told to him "I am so sick and my son (my
brother) is a soldier on the Iranian front, he fights against the
Russians. Go and get information". So Abdulkadir goes. There is a
meadow behind those hills, when he climbs up the hill, he sees that the
people of Ercis are running away. Abdulkadir comes to my father and
says "All the people of Talat Aga are running away". Then my father
decides to leave the village. They immediately begin preparations.

The season is spring, they leave the village with ox carts, but the
animals are not ready for such a journey and they quickly get tired.
They go as far as the hill standing on the southeast border of the
village. But most of the villagers give up. The imam of the village
asks my father "where are the Russians, where are the Armenians? Who
are you running away from?" My father answers "this is not a clan war!
This is the Russian war. We do not have cannons, rifles. We have to run
away." In the morning my father's family and the Sheikh family set up
again. However, people of the other thirty-eight houses stay.

The day after my father leaves the village; the villagers see that the
Russians guided by the Armenians are coming. All the villagers begin to
run through the stream, but the horsemen circle them and they
immediately kill most of them. Later they gather the others in to a
house on the hill. Two armed Armenians watch the door, and two
Armenians kill all people with bayonets. Only a woman and a little girl
are alive by remaining in silent among the dead bodies. As she told my
father later that her name was Azime and the girls was Rusen.

As Ms. Azime told, she waited until the night in silence. She
straightened out she called out if there was anybody who was alive.
Only that little girl answered her. So she takes that girl and goes to
Siirt passing through the mountains, which is a long and painful
story.. Everyone knows the place of those martyrs. But, I don't know
under which ruin they are in. But, there are many other places as such.
As I told you before, the Armenians passed through the hill by killing
everybody they saw on the way.

My father's family and the Sheikh family went to Diyarbakir, Farikin.
When they arrived, they harvested the crops. Later on the government
sent them to Konya because of epidemy where they stayed for three
years. Later, they returned to our village.

* Cousin of Abdulbari Barlas, Abdulhamit Barlas showed the place where
the Turkish villagers were killed by the Armenian bandits. He said that
the villagers who migrated found countless human bones here. As those
bones could not be collected under the circumstances of that time, they
all disappeared. In this village, the Armenians killed 150-200 people.



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Sait Kaya

Father's Name: Ahmed
Mother's name : Emine
Birth Place: Van Province Ercis District
Birth Date: 1898

I am living in Ercis since I was born. The Armenians revolted a Friday
and planned to kill the Moslems in masses. When this was heard our man
got together and killed the Armenian leaders by swords. I mean the only
leader males, because our religion prohibits the killing of children,
women and innocent and armless people.

Later when the Armenian priest was together with the Armenian Nishan
Subgovernor, he said "It is a pity that you did not allow us, we should
have killed them one week earlier." Then became spring, we migrated
from the Armenian tyranny. We escaped but the majority stayed. The
Armenians captivated them and put them inside the barns and killed
them. Just because we migrated early, no one from my family was killed
by Armenians. However several Moslems were slaughtered and burned by
the Armenians. We first moved to Diyarbakir and then to Urfa.

We stayed there for three years. From there, we moved to Antalya. As we
were not in peace with Italy, the governor did not allow us to the
city, so went to Denizli and stayed there for eight years. Finally we
returned back to our hometown Ercis. They had already burned and
destroyed most of the houses. We worked for years and rebuilt them.



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Yamin Tosun

Father's Name : Osman
Mother's Name : Hanim
Place of Birth: Van-Ercis-Haydarbey

I am from Haydarbey village. We became refugees when the Armenians
revolted and the Russians came. We moved to Urfa, where my mother,
father, and brothers died of the famine occurred that year. When the
Russians retreated, Armenians took over the place, but the Turkish army
pushed them back to Revan. We returned to our homes, and found Ercis,
the Muslim village and our village completely burned down and
demolished.
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2005-03-25 18:05:49 UTC
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